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So I'm sure some of you have seen my posts about my fish whose really bloated and lethargic and has been bloated for months. Well for about 2 weeks now I've been medicating. I did Maracyn/Maracyn II for 5 days like it said along with Epsom Salt and daily water changes. Now I'm just doing the epsom salt and water changes. His bloat has gone down but it's still pretty evident that he's bloated but he's pooping regularly again. He also still spends most of his time laying in the plant by the surface of the water. He can swim around a little bit but if he stops swimming he sinks. Also he has this new weird thing...when I come to his tank to give him food he literally attacks it now and jumps almost all the way out of the water to get it and he didn't used to be like that.

Are these signs that he might be getting better? Do you think he'll make a full recovery? My grandma isn't optimistic and says he's getting old and expects him to die any day now.
 

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Can you describe his poops? Do they look normal? If he's bloating but pooping, I usually suspect either internal parasites, a bacterial infection, or a tumor. Since you treated him with the Maracyn combo, that should have helped take care of any bacterial infection so now I'm wondering if it's possibly parasites.

Do you think you can find Jungle Labs Anti-Parasite medicated pellets? Those would be beneficial in treating both internal parasites and any lingering bacterial infection.
 

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Just want to add something to what Sakura already wrote. You saying that you still adding Epsom salt, how much though? It important to use right dose,because if you just adding a little bit it don't work. You need right dose....
 

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His poop is normal and his bloat has decreased by probably 50% but he's not back to where it was. And also I'm adding 1tsp per gallon of epsom salt.
 

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Alright thanks! And I'm not sure where to find that anti-parasitic food.
 

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Treatment for dropsy is typically suggested as 14 day treatment so 5 days on Maracyns were probably not enough. He probably needed at least 10 day if not the full 14. You can try the antiparasite food.. I would have done a second round of Maracyns and actually extend to 14 days and if at that time he was still showing problems added the anti parasite food.
 

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Well both the Maracyn packages say to only treat for 5 days? So I should start him on treatment again?
 

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If you start on an antibiotic that starts to work but stop before its done it can make treatment more difficult because the bacteria has a chance to build up a sort of immunity. How much varies. It could work just as well continuing another 5-9 days but it could work less well or not at all and require a different antibiotic now. Can't know until you try but if it started to work you probably had the right stuff just needed to give it more time. You could try a different med or you could try try again for up to 9 more days. If at 9 days he is not 100% or after maybe 5 or so if he is still showing any more improvement I would definitely switch meds. Maracyn Plus and Kanaplex (Kanamyacin) also have potential to work here. If using Kanaplex I highly suggest feeding too.

This is the only site I have ever seen suggest such high dosages of epsom salts for prolonged periods. the 2-3 tsp every other place I have ever seen say short dips so if you choose to increase salts for long period please watch him carefully and if he seems stressed cut back. Epsoms salts will not cure him but what it is doing is removing the fluid built up buying more time for the meds to cure the infection.
 

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So continue Maracyn I and II for another 5-9 days? And just a note it's extremely hard to me to get access to any fish medication. I had to pay almost $40 for the two Maracyn's because the only place that carries Maracyn almost 2 hours away only had the multipack. I'd switch to another medication if it was that easy but it's not because I live in the middle of no where.
 

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Hey, Callistra, I'm curious. Who says the recommended treatment for dropsy is 14 days? Was it someone on this site or elsewhere? I really didn't know there was a "recommended treatment" time, aside from the time used for medication.
 

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I just want to get an answer before I start medicating again because the box said 5 days only and I don't want to kill him or anything.
 

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I'm sorry, Danifacetastic, I thought Callistra was going to reply. Since he has not show any improvement, I would go ahead and give him a second course of the Maracyn combo. It won't kill him. Good luck with him and please keep us posted.
 

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So another 5 days of Maracyn and up the epsom to 2 tsp?
 

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No that's okay haha. I started medicating him again last night after I got your reply so hopefully this will work since it's basically impossible for me to get new fish medication.
 

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At least another 5 days treat. Hopefully he looks 100% at that point but if he's continuing to get better but not 100% continue to day 9. Hopefully at that point all will be well.

If you could find Maracyn 2 you probably can find Maracyn Plus? The Kanaplex I guess is hard for a lot of people to find. Hopefully this will finish it off and he just needs more time on meds. Dropsy can be hard to cure and a need for a second round of meds is common.
 

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I also never new there is recommended course of medications for dropsy.
Also callistra i think other forums really don't know right instructions for aquarium salt and Epsom salt because they don't have knowledgeable person...This forum have a few people who experienced it treating a lot of fish. It also someone who a lot of people on this forum knows. She is naturalist and she does it all her life. A lot of people asking for her advice all the time.

Aquarium salt and Epsom salt have antibacterial/fungal effect.

Aquarium salt for injuries, wounds, external parasite, fin damage/rot(not plant tolerant)
Epsom salt (Magnesium sulfate0 for buoyancy issues, swim bladder problems, constipation, internal parasite + medicated food.. (plant tolerant)

And both can be used in dose of 1tsp/gall up to 3tsp/gall. And i am personally know that it works and safe. May be when you use Aquarium salt you can start from 2 tsp/gall and then increase if needed up to 3tsp, Epsom salt very gentle and very well tolerable for bettas ...
I am personally was talking to someone who didn't have any access to medications and i recommended aquarium salt and that person's betta actually went from lethargic to absolutely normal active fish. Of course everything depends on the symptoms that you are treating, duration of the disease…

Also when you treat with salt you need to pre mix it in the one gall jug it not recommended to put it directly to the tank. Also you need to do 100% water changes. You can qt fish in small container.

I used to recommend medications which i know very effective and helpful to treat gram negative and gram positive bacteria TETRACYCLINE API mix together with FUNGUS ELIMINATOR BY Jungle. It even better when you mix it because it will treat bacterial and fungus together which is a lot of time can happen. But i really think in some situations especially if fish active and eating better to try salt first. I think salt treatments are better in some situations because it not as stressful as medications are. But again it depends on the symptoms, duration of the disease etc...

 

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Very well said, ANHEL. AQ salt can be used for up to 14 days max before you run the risk of damaging the kidneys. Epsom salt can be used indefinitely. Except in cases of bacterial infections, I try not to recommend meds too much because too much medication can do just as much damage as no medication. You also increase your chances of fish/diseases building up a resistance to the medication if you use it too frequently. For cases like external/internal parasites and the rare true fungus that occurs, I prefer to use salts.

But everyone is different and one person's way of treating may not be another person's. :)
 
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