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Breeders, I went to PetSmart to get a betta and was amazed at the poor condition of the fish. I then went to the web to see if I could order online and only found Aquabids and a few poorly ran websites. I realized that this market hasen't even been taped. I was scared of Aquabids and I do not want to order from oversee's. I am an IT professional and have the ability to create well ran websites . My idea was to develop a website that small breeders could sell their. Betta's. If you could easly sell your betta's through a website would you all be interested? I am just asking to see if this is a viable idea.
 

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Bottom line betta is not a booming market.
Very little profit to a lost cost in the first few years.
Supply,
Stock,
Food
Will run u a few hundred dollars.
See a lot of breeder that quite cause they thought it was a easy profit.

To most people a Betta is a betta.
They rather buy the cheap vt.
Which small time breeder can't compete with big time fish farm.
 

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you could put why it is better to buy from the website like better quality, back story, bloodlines,age, geno's and betta talk was based just for betta's too :) faith had a really great business (until she stopped for 2 years) this sounds like a really great idea though ;-)
 

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Thats a really good idea! I'm interested.
 

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So, more about my idea. I don't want to breed fish. I relay like Betta's and I like to help people. I would like to take the burden of running a website and shiping off the individual breeder so they can do what they like best. I would work with a few top notch breeders to establish standards and would work to establish consistent shipping standards and packaging that I would send to the Breeders. My job would be to assist the breeder in every way I can. Each PetSmart in my area averages 20-30 fish (and I have checked). This is a booming busness. I would be creating a partnership that would give the small breeder a chance. With the correct business model we could bring true bettas to the Americas (Love you Canada).
 

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20-30 a week or month.
Did u ask what was selling.

Breeding is an enjoyment not a profit.
If we're going to try to make a profit as breeder
There must me a set price on a stander.
Which some state have better off then other.
Longer warmer month state can produce the same fish at a cheaper price.
With more fish and faster.
With an open price market.
Warmer state can flood the market.
Just with 8 pair.
In three month you can produce up to 2000 adult size fish with few thousand little fry.
If you know what your doing.
Raising the fish will cost you about 30 cent each fish to adult.
Do the math.
It harder to sell single at the price what u got it for.
Most of the time u have to move them at a bundle, anything from 60 cent to 10 dollar on a fish depending the amount.
This market is risky if you don't know what your doing.
Money maker fish is new stain that breed true.
Which that fish can be easily over produce less then a year.
 

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Curly, I specifically would not want mass produced fish. I want fish from people who love there bettas and are able to breed the highest quality fish. What if I was able to help you sell your fish @ 15 dollars a fish, Buy supplies at distributional prices and sell them to breeders at a significant discount, and work with packaging companies to develop shipping materials specific for your bettas. I assume that breeder would love to be able to say to there husband, wife or friends that their hobbie is helping them financially. BTW it is 20-30 bettas a week (small sample of only 3 stores)
 

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Curly, I specifically would not want mass produced fish. I want fish from people who love there bettas and are able to breed the highest quality fish. What if I was able to help you sell your fish @ 15 dollars a fish, Buy supplies at distributional prices and sell them to breeders at a significant discount, and work with packaging companies to develop shipping materials specific for your bettas. I assume that breeder would love to be able to say to there husband, wife or friends that their hobbie is helping them financially. BTW it is 20-30 bettas a week (small sample of only 3 stores)
Mass production with the right tool and eye still produce healthy and quality fish.
Even two highest quality fish won't produce all quality fish
Btw I breed hmpk giant n planning to go into hm giant(these guy cost more to raise)
15 is the wholesale price only for hmpk giant(that if you know people)
Retail for a hmpk giant is 25-100 a fish
Hm giant range from 50-150 a fish
The market of giant is very low since y pay 2-5 time as much for a fish with the same look but only a inche or 2 bigger.

Ok let punch in the number.
If you have a batch 200 (hmpk dragon spawn)
In three month u can move everything for 2 each that 400 which - the cost of caring is 60 which u can pull in 340 in three month x that with 5 pair it 1700
If your willing to hold all the fish until you get the amount you want.
Only a small portion will be sold @ a good price then the price will continue to drop since the quality of what left with drop.
Which it will cost you more in the long run(time and space equal money when breeding)
Good Thai middle man people move about 800 give or take fish a month
Yeah some Thai farm have over 100 pound which they can produce 20000 fish in three month.(which they can establish new line quicker and improve the quailty)
Bottom line is that us market can't compete with the Thai market.
Other then that just enjoy breeding and achieving your goal.
Don't let it become a profit n enjoy the hobby.
 

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Mass production with the right tool and eye still produce healthy and quality fish.
Even two highest quality fish won't produce all quality fish
Btw I breed hmpk giant n planning to go into hm giant(these guy cost more to raise)
15 is the wholesale price only for hmpk giant(that if you know people)
Retail for a hmpk giant is 25-100 a fish
Hm giant range from 50-150 a fish
The market of giant is very low since y pay 2-5 time as much for a fish with the same look but only a inche or 2 bigger.

Ok let punch in the number.
If you have a batch 200 (hmpk dragon spawn)
In three month u can move everything for 2 each that 400 which - the cost of caring is 60 which u can pull in 340 in three month x that with 5 pair it 1700
If your willing to hold all the fish until you get the amount you want.
Only a small portion will be sold @ a good price then the price will continue to drop since the quality of what left with drop.
Which it will cost you more in the long run(time and space equal money when breeding)
Good Thai middle man people move about 800 give or take fish a month
Yeah some Thai farm have over 100 pound which they can produce 20000 fish in three month.(which they can establish new line quicker and improve the quailty)
Bottom line is that us market can't compete with the Thai market.
Other then that just enjoy breeding and achieving your goal.
Don't let it become a profit n enjoy the hobby.
Can you spell a little clearer?
Great idea, psiflow!
 

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I like the idea would definatly be a customer i would rather buy american than overseas (no offensep)as for the less than high quality fish (there are always a few ugly ducklings i am sure lol) why not try supplying little fish stores who have a steady demand for bettas? it would be realy awesome to walk into a fish store and see diffrrent tail types and im sure the "little guys" in the pet buissness would be willing to get their suplies from other "little guys" vs the larger fish farms and such.
but just an idea i really dont know much on the breeding and selling subject as i am just getting into bettas myself.
 

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No can do.
Sorry I was all over the place.
I Just wrote whatever came up,while thinking about selling and breeding betta.
Yeah bl2000
Tip don't breed vt.
Don't put all your marble in one basket(get more then one pair)
 

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Here the ma n Pa store get their fish from Los Angeles or direct from thailand.
Which they pay less then a dollar to 2 dollar a fish that including shipping.
 

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All,

Thanks for your feedback.

Curly,

You are talking about things outside of the scope of my idea. However, in reading between the lines I am reading that this hobby is very important to you and that for this to be successful I would have to ensure that I respected you and fellow breeders for there expertise. I would need to ensure my services do not commercialize the business but personalize the process.

I am going to put together a business plan now. We will see what happens. Don't expect much, Curly's reservations are probably correct. Luckily, I will be able to learn a great deal if I crash and burn.
 

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Among fellow breeder.
We take whatever that's not use by other fellow breeder and give out whatever not in use to each other.
Most fellow breeder went into Bloodline or give up since thing got a little out of hand.
Pretty much I'm in this solo.
Cause i cant take there line into my without disaster.

Thing I for got to say
why pay more for a fish with less quality.
Some USA breeder are shady(resale fish and clam as there own)
False information

With your site.
It only take a few sour apple to bring it down.
So good luck with your plan.
I'll be looking forward to see what kind of fish will pop up there and who.
 

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Hi there,
I just wanted to say I would be interested in your idea personally.
I am a new breeder, and honestly probably don't have the nest qualities, but not poor either. I try to buy the best I can afford, and really enjoy the hobby. I am just getting into breeding, and already I have a mom and pop store asking me to be their supplier. So I would love to work with you and see what I could do with your site.
All the best of luck.

Oh ps sorry if I am typing off, sentence structure, etc. Its been a long tiring day and I have no idea what I am truly saying haha.
 

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Hi there,
I just wanted to say I would be interested in your idea personally.
I am a new breeder, and honestly probably don't have the nest qualities, but not poor either. I try to buy the best I can afford, and really enjoy the hobby. I am just getting into breeding, and already I have a mom and pop store asking me to be their supplier. So I would love to work with you and see what I could do with your site.
All the best of luck.

Oh ps sorry if I am typing off, sentence structure, etc. Its been a long tiring day and I have no idea what I am truly saying haha.
Good thing that your into it.
To be a supply for a store you must learn what sale and don't for your customer.
How much people willing to pay for a color strain or type.
Simply put it, u just have to work with many color strain and tail type.
Cause No one wiling to keep coming back to buy the same breed over and over.
Will here your chance psiflow do a parentship and have a feel of what thing have to be done in order to maintain sale and deman.
And amphibianite don't give up.
Honest truth you won't see a profit until a later on.
How long that road is, I can't really give u an answer on that.
Tip
Find connection to start out your breeder.
Know Your space and time limit
If you can find a local breeder work hand to hand with him.
Older breeder won't mind give a few hit and tip here and there.
Yeah are you getting flat rate on the fish or he buying them from at a different price on the type and color. Don't expect to much out of it. Mom and pop store take a bigger cut if the fish sell.
Only sell fish that can be sold.
Cause you will want them to keep coming back to buy fish from you.
You must Willing to adapt or change.
Cause the market never stay the same.
So what hot time month might not sell in the next.
Hand down to you
 
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