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It's been a while since my last update. There have been a few big changes, one being that the fry are no longer getting newly hatched BBS every day, which is SUCH a relief.

They get grindal worms, frozen brine shrimp and daphnia, and occasionally Ken's golden pearls.

Also, some of the runts have been cannibalized. While not ideal, I don't have to cull them now, so that's... okay, I guess?

I did rescue one runt who was getting picked on a lot and will be testing my jarring system on him to make sure he's comfortable.

I'm using seedling heat mats to keep the jars warm. I'll report back on how this works out. The biggest fry are still a bit smaller than I'd like for jarring, but they're starting to show more serious aggression so I might not have a choice in the timing.

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I'm excited to be sharing about my first spawn in a few years. I've been taking pretty meticulous handwritten notes but will give you just the highlights in this thread.

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These are the parents. I have no idea what their genotype looks like but it seems obvious to me that the female is a black copper plakat (possibly HMPK) and the male is a black "dragon" HMPK. He's a speedy guy so it's all but impossible to capture a good photo of him flaring, but his caudal fin has a strong "D" shape with sharp edges when fully open. He's a pretty impressive looking fish overall.

The female is less impressive, but still good-looking. She has the slightest bump in her topline and is on the small side. But I love her color and temperament.

Both fish are energetic and aggressive. The female was mislabeled as a male despite an obvious egg spot, rounded belly, and vertical bars showing from day one.

I conditioned these fish for a bit over two weeks in heated, tannin-darkened, planted tanks. They were given a mixture of frozen foods and Ken's golden pearls.

On 12/12/21 I set up the shoebox-size plastic bin as a spawning container. Put in a heater, a healthy handful of guppy grass, a little dwarf water lettuce, and half of an Indian almond leaf. I filled it with conditioned tap water as well as some water taken from a cycled, fishless tank.

In the afternoon on 12/13/21 I acclimated the male in the spawning container and set him free. I let him hang out there on his own until about 9pm, when I placed the female in an old Petco cup and let her float. He flared and danced almost as soon as he saw her and got to work on his bubble nest.

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I was a bit surprised to see him building his nest up tall. In my limited experience this type of nest tends to hold eggs and dangling fry a bit better so that was fine by me - the only issue is that females sometimes tend not to find this impressive.

I left the female in her cup, covered the container with a towel, and went to sleep.

The next day (12/14/21) his nest was starting to look good. The female was no longer charging at the sides of her cup but she still seemed interested in the male (displaying vertical bars and trying to follow him). So I released her into the spawning tank.

The male immediately began to dance, chase, and nip. I was a bit concerned, but she was able to find hiding places in the grass and by the heater when she needed to. I monitored them throughout the day for signs of stress and/or spawning. I took somee video but I'm not sure how to attach it here - I'll figure that out later.

As the day went on without any wrapping I started to get a bit worried as the male was aggressively pursuing the female, stopping here and there to dance and flare and try to lead her to the nest. When she didn't follow, he started biting and chasing, and she took cover. For much of the day she lay in the corner by the heater. She appeared somewhat stressed - breathing heavily and lying still - but her fins were still open and she was still displaying vertical stripes. The damage to her caudal and anal fins was about what I expected, but I was concerned about a few missing scales and an almost completely destroyed dorsal fin. I decided to put the towel back over (hoping to make it easier for her to get away) and leave them alone for the night.

In the morning (today, 12/15/21, around 7:30am) the bubble nest was huge. As soon as I lifted the towel, the male began looking for the female and trying to entice her to the nest. She was still too scared. Some chasing and nipping went on throughout the morning, but no wrapping. He continued to work on his nest between chasing and dancing.

I contemplated removing her as I was concerned about the male's aggression and her unresponsiveness to his advances. She was still not displaying horizontal stress lines, clamped fins, or other behaviors besides hiding in the corner though, so I took a chance, accepted the worst case scenario, and hoped that nature would take care of things.

I went out of the house around 11:30am to handle some work and returned around 12:45pm to find that they were already wrapping. I should note that the weather may have been a factor: it started raining around 12pm. The morning wake-up + rain seemed to have done the trick.

I was concerned that the female was eating eggs. Fortunately, though, she was being helpful and placing them in the nest. The male was a bit clumsy as he tried to wrap, but they both quickly got the hang of it, which seemed to temper the male's frustration. Any sign of stress with the female was gone.

They were at it for a long time. I returned to work and let them have some privacy, checking in every now and then. I can't remember exactly (may have written it down) but I don't think I removed the female until at least 4pm. At that point, she was resting on the heater out of view of the male while he tended the nest.

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I took this snapshot very quickly as I didn't want bubbles to start popping when I lifted the lid, and tried to count the eggs in the picture. I believe there are probably at least 80-100. We'll see how many are actually fertilized, as these are first-timers who took their dear sweet time getting down to business.

Now... here's the ugly part, and I hope this will give aspiring breeders some pause:

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This is what my female looked like right after she was removed from the spawning container. She is swimming well, she is eating, and she's as energetic as ever as she enjoys some clean, dark water. But there is no doubt in my mind that this process was stressful and painful for her. Her fins will probably never be the same again. This is a bit more damage than I would typically have allowed before separating the pair, but I pushed our limits a bit and it seems to have paid off. She's not exactly "unscathed," but she seems calm and comfortable now that she's done her part.

I'll post an update in the morning. The male gets distracted and irritated with me if I peek into the nest, but he'll have to deal with periodic check-ins. He seems like he's doing everything I'd want him to do - rearranging eggs, adding bubbles to the nest, etc. - so it's probably best to leave him be for the night.
I just read this entire thread and enjoyed the whole thing and am absolutely going to keep waiting and watching for these babies to grow up because they're so cute!!!!!!!
 

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I just read this entire thread and enjoyed the whole thing and am absolutely going to keep waiting and watching for these babies to grow up because they're so cute!!!!!!!
Thank you! They still have quite a bit of growing to do but I've started jarring early since they're starting to nip. They're still only averaging about an inch in length, maybe a bit less.

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They're beautiful!!! Love the last ones colouring, almost reminds me of moonlight :)
 

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