[Creat]

Has anyone here ever done it? I have a HM salamander elephant ear that I would love to breed but I was concerned about his capability as a father. I never breed in over 6 inches of water (usually 4-5 inches) but I have noticed that after maybe 20 min of swimming he rests on the bottom. Would he have trouble caring for the babies or will his maternal instincts kick in? What do you guys think oh and would anybody want fry ( I am planning on getting another salamander or white hm female or maybe one of MrVampire's white HMPK).

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

Elephant ear
Was crazy about those a few months back
All I'm going to tell you is that theyre more of a problem then there worth
My result
Eexnone ee no ee offspring(cull down to 20 fry in the first month)
Eexee produce massive ear
I just give up on them
Didn't went beyond f1

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

Yeah my ee male did a great job taking care
A bit slow but he got the job done
But my was a hmpk ee
I think it will be hard on your male since he's a long fin
My guess it fall down to how big his side fin

 

[Creat]

His ears keep growin bigger... I might take your advice sense mine is a HM there tail makes their lives hard enough.

 

[Twilight Storm]

Elephant ear
Was crazy about those a few months back
All I'm going to tell you is that theyre more of a problem then there worth
My result
Eexnone ee no ee offspring(cull down to 20 fry in the first month)
Eexee produce massive ear
I just give up on them
Didn't went beyond f1

To anyone: (but also speaking to curlyfatbottom)

Technically speaking wouldn't breeding a generation1 fish back to your parent big ear show the results?

I know you didn't go on, but isn't that how it works to bring out traits? (I am learning and am VERY interested as on this particular subject.)

On big ear x big ear: Do you know (roughly) the % of spawn that has the trait in gen 1? And roughly what % reflects the parents vs massive ear? Or is the entire spawn massive ear?

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

Not going to lie I still like the freaky look but I just won't breed
Will how big is it.
I got one that his fin are as big as aquastar71 1000 fish
But he can't swim just stay at the bottom

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

I didn't took the next step
But roughly speaking your right
F1 to the parent will bring out the trait
My eexee
Since i started with massive fin pair
They produce even bigger fin
Plus a very high deform rate
Uneven fin one side is bigger then the other
Didn't recode the data
But it higher then 50%

 

[Twilight Storm]

Advise taken. Wish you would have kept a log with pictures!

I have not seen a big ear that had HUGE pectorals. Going to look up the fish you referred to in a minute.

I guess to control the size of their pectorals would be to cross back to non ee fish? Wonder how doing this would effect the generations in the long run. If the ee would get smaller pectorals?

Deform rate at 50% from an ee x ee cross is pretty bad odds.

If anyone has links on data or spawn logs, I would love to read them. (sorry to blabber in your thread Crete. If you decide to breed your big ear boy I will be watching your spawn log like a hawk )

 

[jeffegg2]

I have two big ear half moons on the way from thailand, but no females.

I'll give it a go anyway. Of all the pics and youtube of half moon big ears, none of them were "laying on the bottom".:shock:

 

[Creat]

His ears are defiantly not the size of some of aquastar71, but like I said they are still growing. I am thinking about crossing him to a HM female with no history of big pectorals that way I can control the ear size more if I did.

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

Really big ee pectoral fin can almost be the same size as the caudal fin

 

[Creat]

Yeah nope I dont wana go that big at all.

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

You should be fin if your cross to none ee

 

[Creat]

Any other advice on controlling fin size? I like the way they look but just not so super big.

 

[jeffegg2]

I like big. I would like giant halfmoon big ear.....

Jeff.

 

[Creat]

Well I am planning on sometime in late fall to start makin big ear babies lol

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

My guess is cross an Eexnone ee f1 back to a ee
And Jeff giant is really hard to maintain the size
Out crossing it will take some time
Giant seem to be recessive gene and ee
Working with two recessive gene at once will take some careful selection
You pick wrong pair and your back to squre one
Long fin will show in your f1
Yeah you can only work with the female on the ee and hm
Cause no stander size male can breed with a giant female
Have the same goal as you but it turn out harder then Ive think
Just sticking with hmpk and giant hmpk

 

[jeffegg2]

My guess is cross an Eexnone ee f1 back to a ee
And Jeff giant is really hard to maintain the size
Out crossing it will take some time
Giant seem to be recessive gene and ee
Working with two recessive gene at once will take some careful selection
You pick wrong pair and your back to squre one
Long fin will show in your f1
Yeah you can only work with the female on the ee and hm
Cause no stander size male can breed with a giant female
Have the same goal as you but it turn out harder then Ive think
Just sticking with hmpk and giant hmpk

Where did giants come from?:shock:

 

[Curlyfatbottom]

From a fighting gene
Carefully selecting the biggest one to work with only
Took them many year to get it that size and produce the same size or bigger then the parents
Pk is over 3" long
Long fin are over 5" long
Or you can spend 50 plus on a lower quailty hm giant male and breed it to an eehm female
True giant are expensive
Do to the amount of food they eat and require space to house and care for them

 

[Twilight Storm]

Well I am planning on sometime in late fall to start makin big ear babies lol

LOL! The kids will tease them in school.

(get it school..) <-ok VERY BAD but I couldn't help it.


I will sooo be watching for your spawn. Do you have a female picked out?