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Everything is going great! My three are getting along remarkably well (Casanova, Opal and Bella) in their tank and thriving happily!
Now, I have a dilemma!
Cass and Opal are showing clear displays of being ready to spawn. There's a nest, and they are showing all stages and signs.
However, poor Cass :C Opal is twice his size! Several times he has attempted an embrace, and simply couldn't fit around her, so he ends up floating around for a bit curled up on himself!

Is this just because he is a newbie at this, and only young, or is it just that Opal is far too big?
 

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You have 2 females and one male all in the same tank? All 3 will have to be removed to their own tanks if you end up with a spawn.
 

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Size will be a key factor in him embracing her, if she is too big, he will be unable to embrace her and will just end up stunning himself.
All newbies struggle with embracing, if she is small enough for him to embrace, he will manage it eventually!!!Pictures would be good so we can see what sizes the fish are!We could help you better then!Also, 2 females and 1 male in the same tank is NOT a great idea, they will need their own seperate tanks (3 of them) if two of them spawn!
 

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Ideally the female should be smaller than the male so he can embrace around her. You don't want a larger female than the male for breeding
 

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your female is just way to big
better to have a larger male
if you don't have a breeding tank then spit them up
will just have some dead female within a week or two
 

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Thanks guys! I've got the whole plan laid out, no problem there so thanks for the advice! Here's some pics from a couple days ago, yes, terrible lighting xD;

 

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Please seperate them. The mix you have doesn't work under any circumstances and should be avoided.

Also. Do you have a 20 gallon grow out tank?
Microwoms, BBS, Walter worms, banana worms, vinegar eels?
A home for each Betta?
Do you know how undesirable VT's are?
Are you aware of jarring males?
How are you going to cull the fish?
 

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I know you are a senior member, but can I ask why veiltail's are so shunned? And why doesn't the pairing work?
I'm not intending to be a show quality breeder or anything of the sort. I love my bettas regardless of 'quality'. I'm not going to fork out £20 for a 180HM just because they are rated higher. I picked my fish through picking my favourite, and the one that seemed with the best attitude. Hence why, after 3 nights, 3 fish in a 9 litre tank are completely happy and thriving.
 

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The way they are housed is very unhealthy. 2 females and a male shouldn't be housed together in such a small tank for aggression reasons, 3 nights is a very short amount of time. Aggression usually happens in the first few days or as they settle in after 1.5 weeks. And VT's aren't recommended for breeding as there isn't a market for them. Finding quality homes will be very difficult. And with that male, the form. I wouldn't breed him anyways.


Also. Do you have a 20 gallon grow out tank?
Microwoms, BBS, Walter worms, banana worms, vinegar eels?
A home for each Betta?
Do you know the different tail types and identification?
What tail type female do you have?
Are you aware of jarring males?
How are you going to cull the fish?
 

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VT are not shunned - they are simply hard to sell. Most people these days want half-moons or crown-tails. Plakats and veiltails are my personal favourites. :)

The pairing does not work because you should only have one male and one female when breeding. With breeding being the exception males and females should NEVER be kept together under ANY circumstances. No ifs and or buts. Females can be kept together safely in groups of at least 5 in a 10 gallon or above tank.

I'm very confused. Was this spawn planned, or is that how they have always been housed?
 

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Equipment aside for now, what's wrong with his form? Curiosity is going to kill me here as to why Cas is a bad fish :/
 

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The way they are housed is very unhealthy. 2 females and a male shouldn't be housed together in such a small tank for aggression reasons, 3 nights is a very short amount of time. Aggression usually happens in the first few days or as they settle in after 1.5 weeks. And VT's aren't recommended for breeding as there isn't a market for them. Finding quality homes will be very difficult. And with that male, the form. I wouldn't breed him anyways.


Also. Do you have a 20 gallon grow out tank?
Microwoms, BBS, Walter worms, banana worms, vinegar eels?
A home for each Betta?
Do you know the different tail types and identification?
What tail type female do you have?
Are you aware of jarring males?
How are you going to cull the fish?
+1

And the rankings usually mean nothing - your ranking is judged by your number of posts. Me and Mo are the same ranking (senior member), but I'm just a newbie (I got my first tank in December) and Mo is very knowledgeable.
 

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Equipment aside for now, what's wrong with his form? Curiosity is going to kill me here as to why Cas is a bad fish :/
No fish is a bad fish. :)

I'm not very knowledgeable on form - but his anal fin looks really long to me.
 

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MaisyDawgThirteen:
My veiltail is very dear to me <3 I personally love these too!
Also, they weren't always housed this way. I wanted to try my hand at breeding, and Cas and Opal were showing great signs to each other. I haven't really had my question answered; Is Opal too big for Cas? All i've had is that i'm doing it all wrong.
 

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The ray branching, and the dorsal fin seem to be his main problems.
Your question has been answered many times. Maybe not clearly though. We've stated that a female larger than the male is not fit for breeding with him. So depicting the situation could be self determined. Whether or not they would be good for breeding and if the female is to large. Of she's bigger than the male, then she is too big
 

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MaisyDawgThirteen:
My veiltail is very dear to me <3 I personally love these too!
Also, they weren't always housed this way. I wanted to try my hand at breeding, and Cas and Opal were showing great signs to each other. I haven't really had my question answered; Is Opal too big for Cas? All i've had is that i'm doing it all wrong.
I'd take the other female out. You should try and get a smaller female for him, or get a larger male for her. If I were you I'd get a good quality HM or HMPK pair from a good breeder. If you look for a good deal you shouldn't have to for out a good deal. :)
 

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Ah well that is easily explainable;
The store where I bought him from, he had been kept in an inch of water in an open top very, very small glass tank above some other tropical fish tanks. He was cramped, had NO room to swim. This was the day I brought him home; he hadn't stretched his fins fully. Now, it flares with everything else and curves nicely.
Ray branching I assume you mean the end of his tail? Same explanation; he had taken to fin nipping and so the ends of his tail were split. He is doing that less and less now that he's happier.
 

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I'd take the other female out. You should try and get a smaller female for him, or get a larger male for her. If I were you I'd get a good quality HM or HMPK pair from a good breeder. If you look for a good deal you shouldn't have to for out a good deal. :)
Alright, i'll keep my eye out! Bear in mind, i'm in the UK, and betta fish breeding isn't huge over here :)
 
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