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in 2012 i bought a betta for the first time ever and made a ton of mistakes. it was a female and she was originally housed in an extremely small plastic container (maybe 1/4 gal) but after a while i upgraded to a much bigger plastic critter carrier (not sure on the size but i believe its around 1 gal) she seemed happy, she made bubblenests but i horribly over fed her and she was quite obese. then she started laying eggs constantly and died after laying eggs once a week for about 4 months. i had her for exactly 11 months. last week i bought a male veiltail. he is housed in the larger plastic container i have and is very happy (he just made a hugeeee bubblenest) but he is also very small, the mini pellets i have for him are too big for him so i have to crush them or cut them in half. i stuck with the small houses for 3 reasons - i was extremely misinformed, i don't have a lot of money and i have multiple sclerosis (which means severe fatigue and very prone to dropping things, but i wasn't diagnosed until after i already had the first fish) the critter carriers are plastic so i feel more comfortable carrying those to the sink for changing the water than a glass tank. but recently my family acquired a much larger fish tank (larger than 30 gal but under 50gal) thats not being used, is that too big for my tiny betta? it has a lid but nothing else. if i were to put my betta in there would i need a filter? what kind? what kind of heater? (keep in mind i don't have a lot of money) how often do i change the water? i heard pleco's could be ok with bettas, is this tank large enough to put a pleco in? if not i don't mind housing a betta by it self. i love bettas. i think sand would look beautiful in a fish tank but i don't know how i would clean that... i have one of those water sucker siphon things but wouldn't it just suck the sand up with the water? also until the larger tank thing gets solved the smaller 1ish gal tank used to have a green algae problem when i had my female. when i would do a 100% water change i would take a napkin and wipe all the algae off but it would always be back the next week. is that a problem? what do i do?

sorry this is so long!
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HI, and welcome to the forum. I am a newbie here; there are some stickys under Betta Care which are extremely helpful that can answer alot of your questions until others have a chance to respond. There are alot of people here with good experience and are so helpful..after many mistakes, I think I got a good handle on their care, and now have 4 tanks; other than one with a tail ripping problem, they all appear pretty healthy and happy :), thanks to everyone here on the forum!
Major props for wanting to take good care of your little fellow!!! I feel like I can give you a little bit more personalized help on the maintenance with MS thing, my mother-in-law to be (hopefully XD) has pretty severe MS, so I kinda know what the limitations are there.

First off, most bettas can live happily in anything from a 1G to XXGs. They're usually not bothered by more space. A 30G should be fine for 1 betta and 1 pleco, you can use this site to calculate stocking for a tank:
http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AqLengthUnit=cm&FormSubmit=DisplayInCm&

That being said, if you're having balance issues, standing to clean that tank for the 15ish mins it's going to take may not be ideal. I would stick with the 1G, or you can drop about $15 American on a 2.5G, which opens up tons of windows for care.

A siphon is designed to not suck up the substrate, just kinda 'air' it out and get the gunk (fancy peeps call it mulm) out. I do have sand in 2 of my tanks, I lose maybe 100 grains every water change? Enough to be like "oh look, there's sand in the bucket" but not enough to make any difference in the tank. A siphon is DEFINITELY your best bet for cleaning. You shouldn't ever have to carry a fish tank, unless you're moving it for some reason (like making room on the table for more <_<).

Regardless of tank size, you do need a heater. I have found it difficult to heat my 1G tanks, the pre-set 8W heaters I have are great in the winter, but are overheating the water in the summer. Again, having a 2.5G means you can fit an adjustable heater in there, which is really idea. Obv, you can fit whatever the heck you want into that big tank.

Filtration is a matter of opinion. I do not have filters in my 2.5G tanks yet (they're in next month's budget, hopefully), so I do 3 weekly water changes. T&Th I do a 50% change, and Sundays I do a 100% change.

With a larger tank, there is no reason not to filter it. I have no experience with filters there, so someone else is gonna have to help you out with that. The issue I could see with that would be moving the discarded water... You would still need to do a significant WC every week, close to 50%... That's potentially 20G of water you're needing to move around. You could do like, 10% every day during the week or something, but that's tedious.

Algae isn't bad, it's just ugly. In a 2.5G with good upkeep, you could get a little snail (No Plecos!!!!) to help munch on the algae. I always always recommend Nerite snails as betta-friends. They're adorable, and great algae eaters, and armored little fellows. No fleshy bits for a betta to nibble on.

There's some more advice needed if you chose to filter, but this is long enough for one post... Please let me know if I can help with anything else!!!
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Major props for wanting to take good care of your little fellow!!! I feel like I can give you a little bit more personalized help on the maintenance with MS thing, my mother-in-law to be (hopefully XD) has pretty severe MS, so I kinda know what the limitations are there.

First off, most bettas can live happily in anything from a 1G to XXGs. They're usually not bothered by more space. A 30G should be fine for 1 betta and 1 pleco, you can use this site to calculate stocking for a tank:
http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AqLengthUnit=cm&FormSubmit=DisplayInCm&

That being said, if you're having balance issues, standing to clean that tank for the 15ish mins it's going to take may not be ideal. I would stick with the 1G, or you can drop about $15 American on a 2.5G, which opens up tons of windows for care.

A siphon is designed to not suck up the substrate, just kinda 'air' it out and get the gunk (fancy peeps call it mulm) out. I do have sand in 2 of my tanks, I lose maybe 100 grains every water change? Enough to be like "oh look, there's sand in the bucket" but not enough to make any difference in the tank. A siphon is DEFINITELY your best bet for cleaning. You shouldn't ever have to carry a fish tank, unless you're moving it for some reason (like making room on the table for more <_<).

Regardless of tank size, you do need a heater. I have found it difficult to heat my 1G tanks, the pre-set 8W heaters I have are great in the winter, but are overheating the water in the summer. Again, having a 2.5G means you can fit an adjustable heater in there, which is really idea. Obv, you can fit whatever the heck you want into that big tank.

Filtration is a matter of opinion. I do not have filters in my 2.5G tanks yet (they're in next month's budget, hopefully), so I do 3 weekly water changes. T&Th I do a 50% change, and Sundays I do a 100% change.

With a larger tank, there is no reason not to filter it. I have no experience with filters there, so someone else is gonna have to help you out with that. The issue I could see with that would be moving the discarded water... You would still need to do a significant WC every week, close to 50%... That's potentially 20G of water you're needing to move around. You could do like, 10% every day during the week or something, but that's tedious.

Algae isn't bad, it's just ugly. In a 2.5G with good upkeep, you could get a little snail (No Plecos!!!!) to help munch on the algae. I always always recommend Nerite snails as betta-friends. They're adorable, and great algae eaters, and armored little fellows. No fleshy bits for a betta to nibble on.

There's some more advice needed if you chose to filter, but this is long enough for one post... Please let me know if I can help with anything else!!!
thanks! i just really want this one to live longer.. i am sorry about your potential mother in law though =/ MS has taken alot from me but i love my pets and its NOT taking that from me.

with the heater i'm stuck on what wattage to get (also what brand?) because my house does not have air conditioning so in the summer its sometimes 95+ degrees in the house and in the winter i have a hot steam vaporizer running 24/7 (because of a picky parrot) so the temp in my room is rarely below 80 degrees. my mom is pretty sure the large tank is 35 gallons so what watt heater do you think would be best? and i suppose if the large tank ends up being more than i can handle i could just not fill it up all the way, just like half way or 3/4

about the nerite snails, i love snails and had one in a fish tank once (don't know what kind of snail) but i think it was a sexual or something because it had hundreds of babies. if i get a nerite snail is that going to happen?

and thanks so much! you've been so helpful!!!
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HI, and welcome to the forum. I am a newbie here; there are some stickys under Betta Care which are extremely helpful that can answer alot of your questions until others have a chance to respond. There are alot of people here with good experience and are so helpful..after many mistakes, I think I got a good handle on their care, and now have 4 tanks; other than one with a tail ripping problem, they all appear pretty healthy and happy :), thanks to everyone here on the forum!
thank you i will check those out!
I'm glad you're showing MS who's boss, the FMiL (I guess??) is letting it whip her, and not doing anything to help herself really, and it's so frustrating and sad and just UGH. ANYWAYS!!!

The nice thing about adjustable heaters is that they'll shut off once the water hits it's desired temp, and won't cook a fish like a preset will.
Personally, I LOVE Ehiem Jager heaters, you should be able to find one for less than $20 on amazon... but in a house that warm, I think it can be lower on your list tbh. I would pick up a thermometer, they're like... $2? Plus if you get a floating glass thermometer, some fish will poke it around and play with it... or maybe you have a special boy like one of mine, who just stares into it's mysterious depths... all day...
As for the Wattage, with adjustables it's just a size/money/speed question. Let's say you have a 20G tank, and you put a 300W heater in there... That's WAY overkill, but it will still heat it up only to a certain level. It'll just heat it up REAL FAST.
So I like the 25W (also the smallest one they make) for my 2.5G, it lays neatly longways across the bottom, and is wonderful. For at 35G, you'd need something like a 125W, with a surprisingly small price jump... Well TiL!!!

What you COULD DO in the big tank is do half terrarium, and half aquarium, and get a frog or something in the top half!!! I've always wanted to do that in a big tank :3 Like this: http://fish-etc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Aquascaping-Paludarium-.jpg
SO PURTY

Oh about snails. Nerites are not asexual, they need a male and a female to reproduce, and the eggs only hatch in brackish (semisalty) water. So unless you REALLY WANT TO you won't have extra nerites.
<3
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I do know that nerites live well with bettas and they need brackish type water to multiply and in clear, clean water they don't multiply. I picked these for that reason, and they do an awesome job of eating up the algae. I have some algae wafers on hand in case they need to be fed if there is no algae, tho I don't know how to tell if they are hungry - lol.
Mine write 'FOOD' in snail-slime on the glass, maybe yours will do that too...
I'm glad you're showing MS who's boss, the FMiL (I guess??) is letting it whip her, and not doing anything to help herself really, and it's so frustrating and sad and just UGH. ANYWAYS!!!

The nice thing about adjustable heaters is that they'll shut off once the water hits it's desired temp, and won't cook a fish like a preset will.
Personally, I LOVE Ehiem Jager heaters, you should be able to find one for less than $20 on amazon... but in a house that warm, I think it can be lower on your list tbh. I would pick up a thermometer, they're like... $2? Plus if you get a floating glass thermometer, some fish will poke it around and play with it... or maybe you have a special boy like one of mine, who just stares into it's mysterious depths... all day...
As for the Wattage, with adjustables it's just a size/money/speed question. Let's say you have a 20G tank, and you put a 300W heater in there... That's WAY overkill, but it will still heat it up only to a certain level. It'll just heat it up REAL FAST.
So I like the 25W (also the smallest one they make) for my 2.5G, it lays neatly longways across the bottom, and is wonderful. For at 35G, you'd need something like a 125W, with a surprisingly small price jump... Well TiL!!!

What you COULD DO in the big tank is do half terrarium, and half aquarium, and get a frog or something in the top half!!! I've always wanted to do that in a big tank :3 Like this: http://fish-etc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Aquascaping-Paludarium-.jpg
SO PURTY

Oh about snails. Nerites are not asexual, they need a male and a female to reproduce, and the eggs only hatch in brackish (semisalty) water. So unless you REALLY WANT TO you won't have extra nerites.
<3
that is really pretty! i'm pretty sure i'm going to do the large tank filled 3/4 with 1-2 nerite snails with 125w heater and i'm going to try it with no filter. so i will probably do a 50% water change once a week. i really wanted the pleco but now i'm afraid the pleco will eat my betta! so for now it will just be the betta and snails. but it will be probably a week or 2 before i get the whole thing set up and get the snails.
Mine write 'FOOD' in snail-slime on the glass, maybe yours will do that too...
Thanks for the info..good to know. I keep a tight lid on the tanks so they won't come get me....
oh and definitely the floating thermometer!! haha
They contain many great secrets...
They contain many great secrets...
for real though do you feed the snails? do they only eat algae or other tank yuck too? how do you know when you feed them?
I tried to feed my snails algae pellets, they never touched them... You said you'd grow algae in your tank? They'll nibble on that and be fat and happy.
Yeah nerites are notorious for refusing prepared foods. Mine won't eat any pellets, wafers, etc. except they WILL eat Repashy Soilent Green.
Mine write 'FOOD' in snail-slime on the glass, maybe yours will do that too...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
If you can't do terrarium right away, could just do the same idea which is not use the whole big tank for water.
Yeah nerites are notorious for refusing prepared foods. Mine won't eat any pellets, wafers, etc. except they WILL eat Repashy Soilent Green.
I put a wafer in next to one last night and he went right by it. Guess I will just need to watch for the word FOOD written in snail slime.
for real though do you feed the snails? do they only eat algae or other tank yuck too? how do you know when you feed them?
I was told last night that when they are hungry, the will write FOOD in snail slime on the tank.
Yeah nerites are notorious for refusing prepared foods. Mine won't eat any pellets, wafers, etc. except they WILL eat Repashy Soilent Green.
Charlie, your thread is totally being hijacked :twisted: but Soilent Green? You fish peeps have me on the FLOOR laughing. And it IS a food, I had to look it up. Oh dear. I will try my best to help here to make it up to you.

Here is what I suggest: if you plan to do the larger tank and make it into one of those gorgeous terrariums (sorry there is a lovely tech name for it) http://www.stormthecastle.com/terrarium/fish-tank-terrarium.htm
i think you will love it and with less water there will be a little more ease of care. You will have something unique. 35 gallons is a great size for this, IMHO.

My best suggestion for you: Make up a budget and an item list. You may be able to get things just one by one for what you are planning.

Decide on number of gallons of water that you want to deal with, and post here, as well as any questions.

You have many great suggestions already, the nerite snails will be perfect. You may even add a couple shrimp at this rate, or maybe a froggie? Since you love your pets, this can be so much fun. A little at a time and you will have something brilliant, exciting and something to be proud of and enjoy!!

Next decision is how you would like to cycle it, after you have equipment (heater and filter most important). You can do small 1-2 gallon buckets for water changes if it makes things easier for you (it does for me). Put tank at waist height so water changes are easy. I will add more as i think of it. Sorry if i missed anything, I was laughing too hard.
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