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For anyone looking to try a fish-in cycle with Tetra Co.'s SafeStart please follow this link to a very important Q&A!

http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/aquarium-nitrogen-cycle/58116-q-tetra-tetra-safestart.html

It basically has a guy from Tetra Co. telling you what needs to be done and answers some common questions about SafeStart. =]
So I know you've read this link that you've sent but didn't you catch the 1.0-1.5 ammonia reading?
On my ammonia alert cling it says 0.5 is toxic.
:mad: I refuse to hurt patriot. I really need this confusion cleared before I try anything.
 

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IMO/E-those products are a waste of time and money....
IMO/E-it is best to keep the ammonia level 0.25ppm and less during the cycling process with fish.

And no water change for two weeks with ammonia level 1-2ppm IMO you are asking for trouble and risk of long term injury from scar tissue from the ammonia burns especially on the gills and secondary infection.
Some fish may be able to tolerate those level, but the delicate fins of the Betta will burn and then they may start to tailbite secondary to pain.
 

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IMO/E-those products are a waste of time and money....
IMO/E-it is best to keep the ammonia level 0.25ppm and less during the cycling process with fish.

And no water change for two weeks with ammonia level 1-2ppm IMO you are asking for trouble and risk of long term injury from scar tissue from the ammonia burns especially on the gills and secondary infection.
Some fish may be able to tolerate those level, but the delicate fins of the Betta will burn and then they may start to tailbite secondary to pain.
thank you! :) i didn't see this post when I PM'd you.
sorry about the in-box spam.
I guess it's back to the grocery store shrimp method.
 

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Sorry. <=[ I had no idea as I haven't tried to cycle it yet. I was gonna wait till genie got better. Glad I didn't make that mistake.

Thank you OFL for correcting this. =]

I'll try doing a fishless cycle with it using the information about the product in the e-mail.

Afterall, fishless cycling is supposed to imitate fish-in cycling anyway so I could just add ammonia to simulate adding a fish just like you do in an unaided fishless cycle. Things should just speed up compared to a regular fishless cycle if I use the TSS with ammonia instead of a fish right?

Anyone know of a good brand of ammonia other than ACE's? Maybe something I could buy at a supermarket?
All i need is a small amount to keep the bacteria fed and ACE apparently sells in bulk. =/

Edit: eh. I'm just gonna go to ACE anyway. =/
 

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Afterall, fishless cycling is supposed to imitate fish-in cycling anyway so I could just add ammonia to simulate adding a fish just like you do in an unaided fishless cycle. Things should just speed up compared to a regular fishless cycle if I use the TSS with ammonia instead of a fish right?

Edit: eh. I'm just gonna go to ACE anyway. =/
Found out using pure ammonia would possibly kill the bacteria. Guess I'll just add a chunk of salmon after I fill the tank with TSS.
 

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I have cycled successfully with ACE hardware brand ammonia plenty of times. You simply need to make sure that the ammonia level stays around 4ppm. If you accidentally overdose ammonia it is easy to fix. Simply do a water change to get the ammonia level down again.
 

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I know this Thread is OLD, but, I just finished a successful fish-in cycling using TSS (Tetra SafeStart)! We conditioned our Marineland Eclipse Hex 5 w/Prime, waited one day and then added a 3.38oz bottle of TSS and our new male betta (Stormy). AND, as the Tetra Rep said in their "answers", we didn't do any W/C's for two weeks. During that two-week period, we did water parameter tests and everything was fine. Day after that "two-week period", we done a 25% W/C w/Prime added. Our water parameters are really great and so is our betta, Stormy.

Tetra (SafeStart) and API (QuickStart) make this stuff exactly for cycling a tank with fish inside. There was absolutely no reason for us to do the "fishless" cycling when these two products are sold for the purpose of fish-in cycling. However, I've read that the bacteria in QuickStart isn't nearly as good as in SafeStart..........just what I read.

Do it right and a fish-in w/SafeStart will work perfectly.
 

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Yes the thread is old, but considering the negative sentiment expressed earlier it's a good thing that you posted your success. It works for LOTS of people and is a viable method of cycling.
 
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Wait. It says on that Q&A that "chloramines removers" kill TSS. How do you do a fish-in cycle in a tank without adding a dechlorinator for 7 days??
 

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Wait. It says on that Q&A that "chloramines removers" kill TSS. How do you do a fish-in cycle in a tank without adding a dechlorinator for 7 days??

According to the tetra representative in the link, you dose with dechlorinator at least 24 hours before adding TSS and then you don't change the water for 2 weeks. Should ammonia spike up really high, you can do a water change, dose with dechlorinator, wait a day and then dose again with TSS. Ammonia will be higher than with a straight fish in cycle because the TSS contains ammonia.


TSS is a fish in cycle, of sorts, but one would not follow the fish in cycle guidelines because it's not the same.

Too, your tank should not be stocked such that you can't go a week without a water change or the fish will die. The representative said 1 fish per 10 gallons. Unless you are grossly over feeding, 1 small fish (obviously not talking about a full grown goldfish) in 10 gallons of water can easily go a week or two without a water change.
 

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It's not a matter of the fish dying or not. I've always read and believed that any amount of ammonia the fish are left in can damage them, whether or not it's visible or lethal. I can't imagine not changing my aquarium water for 2 weeks.
 

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Then TSS is not for you :)

Your tanks must not be cycled, otherwise 2 weeks is nothing.
 

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My tanks are cycled, actually. But we are talking about an uncycled tank here, aren't we? Someone wouldn't be using the product if the tank was already cycled.
 

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Oh I just assumed based on your concern about waiting 2 weeks for a water change. It's great to want to change your water every week - nothing wrong with that. However, feeling that you need to change the water every week or else bad things will happen - that's just not the way it works in a cycled tank.

My point was that one small fish in a 10 gallon can easily survive a week or two in an uncycled tank without a water change.

The tetra rep said that if after a week ammonia is sky high to change the water and start over with a new bottle, as it's likely to have failed due to either improper storage or user error.

Partial doses (using half the bottle) are not advised due to the complete uncertainty of how much bacteria is actually going in the tank.

If you want to use TSS, read the link in this thread and follow the directions.
 

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Perhaps I mis"spoke." What I meant was, I can't imagine not changing the water for 2 weeks during a fish-in cycle, not in an established tank. I haven't used a product like this, so if it works that's great. I was just questioning it because I don't have any experience with it.
 

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I agree that waiting 2 weeks between water changes during a traditional fish in cycle is generally not a good idea. I say generally because it's dependent on the bioload of the fish vs the volume of water. It would be no trouble at all to wait 2 weeks for a betta in a 29 gallon tank, but the fish would die in days in a 1 gallon. However, TSS is not a traditional fish in cycle. It's definitely a trade off - the convenience of the bacteria in a bottle exposes the fish to ammonia levels that you would not otherwise allow.
 

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I have been using the different products to do this, they all have worked well, it depends on what you are doing I have been buying the "seeded" substrate lately and it is wonderful
 

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Givemethatfish - I didn't mean to jump on you about the 2 weeks business. It's just that it's something I see every day - people operating out of fear. There are a number of people that really do think their fish will get sick and die if they don't do their weekly water change. It's as if they think the tank is a house of cards waiting to come crashing down, and established cycled tanks are all but bulletproof. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from doing weekly water changes - I just don't want people to do them out of fear.
 
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