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So, with so many people asking about them all the time, i figured it was time to put the best knowledge i have on one easy to find page! :) This is info that i have pulled directly off of the best websites i know, and some from my own experience of raising them for many years.

*ADFs are 100% aquatic & should never be out of water. They are most active in the evenings, resting throughout the day. ADFs grow to about 1.5" snout to vent (nose to butt) length & can be identified by the webbing between the toes on the front flippers. Females will often be larger than males. Males will show a white spot on their sides under their front arms when mature and may start “hugging” (amplecting) other frogs. Male is smaller, develops a small red or white spot behind his armpits when sexually mature. When viewed from above they have a V shape ridge across the back from the anus across the rear legs (see picture below). The males also have a tiny to no visible 'tail' bud. The females are far rounder in appearance and have a small tail bud. The males also sing, while the females only sing rarely and usually as a response to the male.



Listen here to the singing of an ADF!




*Use at least 3 gallons water per frog & nothing smaller… frogs do need room to swim & don’t get lonely in a bowl/tank on their own but the interaction between 2 or more is delightfully more entertaining for you. The ADF, like all frogs, have to discard their outer layer of skin every few weeks as they grow. They accomplish this by twisting and turning violently, and often go on to eat the skin. Young and juvenile ADFs tend to be more active near the water line and prefer floating plants to lie upon. The ADF is very long sighted and as adults have eyes on opposing far sides of the skull. This means it has great difficulty in seeing anything close to it or directly in front of it, so it relies on its sense of smell and vibration to find its food. It can often be seen stabbing at food on the bottom, missing quite a few times! It can take a ADF ten minutes to discover that there is food in the tank. So if a ADF is kept with fish, you have to allow for this by feeding the fish first in one place and then feeding the frog in another place. It can be all too easy for a inexperienced owner to starve their frogs if kept with bottom feeding fish. Peaceful animals which are known for their 'comical' behaviour.

*ADFs are great escape artists, so you’ll need a lid on your bowl/tank. ADFs breathe air from the water’s surface, so be sure to leave space for air between the lid & water’s surface. This is a fully aquatic frog and will stay underwater for hours; however, it still needs to periodically come up to the surface to breathe. The substrate must be too large or (preferably) too fine to be eaten by the frog while lunging for its food. If gravel is eaten by the frog, it will remain in the intestinal tract, cause blockage, and shortly afterwards, death. Sand or river rocks of at least 0.5cm (0.2") in diameter is recommended. The minimum tank size for one adult frog (over a year old) is 18.9 Litres (5 US G.). A young frog can probably get away with 11.4 Litres (3 US G.). Biological filtration perhaps isn't needed if the owner keeps up with regular weekly water changes. But it helps keep the levels of ammonia down if the owner neglects, overstocks or overfeeds. If it happens to be a power filter with a intake pipe, cover it with fine mesh to prevent the trapping of the frogs' delicate legs causing it to drown. This is a common occurrence in larger tanks. These frogs cannot be out of water for more than 10-15 minutes. If they somehow escape into the relatively desolate environment of an average home, their skin will dehydrate, and they will die. These frogs can be easily kept in aquariums with a tall water column. A -43cm (18-24") tall tank is not a problem for them. The water level must be dropped 2.5-5.1cm (1-2") from the top for two reasons; one, to allow for proper gas exchange and respiration of the frogs, and two, to prevent escape and therefore death. Otherwise ensure there are no escape holes for the frogs to explore. A ADF can easily jump 7.6-10.2cm (3-4") into the air from a solid base.




*Change 100% of the water once a week with conditioned same-temperatured water if you have one frog in a 2-gallon tank or less. Tanks that are 5-gallons or more should be "cycled" and have on average, 25% of the water changed once per week.


*Keep the water temperature ideally between 75-80*F, though down to 70*F & up to 82*F may be ok as long as your frog remains healthy. Don’t set them in direct sunlight or on anything that heats up (e.g. PC/TV). Use a stick-on-the-outside (liquid crystal) thermometer to monitor the water’s temperature.


*Adding a small live plant (such as Java Fern) will help your water conditions & give your frog a place to rest on or hide in or you can add an aquarium-safe silk plant. Large stones/gravel that are too large to be swallowed may be used on the bottom.


*Feed a varied diet, but no freeze-dried or dry pelleted foods, which can cause intestinal blockage & death. Frozen (but thawed) bloodworms, brine shrimp on occasion, or Frog & Tadpole Bites are a good variety. ADF's are meat eaters & they won’t eat flakes. A frog's tummy will bulge slightly when fed enough. Overfeeding can lead to health problems. It will not harm an ADF to go for a day or two on occasion without being fed but do ensure your frog is eating if kept in a community tank with other fish who might eat all the food before the frog has a chance to hunt for it. Their close-up vision is very poor, so they hunt the bottom of the tank for hours in search of their food.


*Tankmates should not be aggressive, bottom feeders or African Clawed Frogs. If your frog would fit in the mouth of any other fish in the tank, then they are not suitable tankmates, as your frog will be eaten. Be sure your tank has at least 1 gallon of water for each inch of adult sized fish you keep. They often like to float lazily on the surface of the water so most tankmates should be those that prefer the mid-ranges of a tank. Will not bother any fish as long as it's bigger than itself. It will eat fish fry. It has been reported that ADF are compatible with larger shrimp such as Amano shrimp. They are not compatible with crayfish. Some people keep ADFs with Bettas. This is difficult as Bettas are also carnivores, so they compete for the same types of food. Often the Betta gets fat whilst the frog starves. Best to find a way to feed the frog without the Betta being able to eat it all. A word of warning, when ADFs are kept with Bettas there are stories of either the ADF having his eyes and toes nipped and even legs broken by a feisty Betta, and on the other hand, there are stories of ADF's grabbing a Betta's tail and hanging on causing stress and injury to the fish.

******* In America and Canada most large chain shops are selling these frogs infected with Chytrid Fungus, a highly infectious and deadly fungus which kills within the first 3 months of ownership. This is believed to be due to the shops mixing the African Clawed Froghttp://theaquariumwiki.com/African_Clawed_Frog (which is a immune carrier) in with the dwarf frog and so passes on the fungus via the water. It is recommended that owners in these countries quarantine their new frogs for no less than 3 months before placement in their main tank.


Hmm... That seems to be all for now, if i remember anything later i will be sure to put it here. :) As i said, some of this information is my own, and some was taken directly from websites, so it may be a little redundant in places, and for that i am sorry.

Alo, if you have any more questions, please feel free to contact me!! :3
 

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Do you have an ADF?

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say mine haven't eaten in the two-three days I've had them. That being said, yes I can read your food descriptions of what to feed them. What, EXACTLY, do YOU feed your ADFs? That is, what food, what kind of food, what brand of food, in what way do you feed them, et cetera? I'm looking for specifics, not a list, please.

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I do not have any right now, because i dont trust the stores where i live to have healthy ones, but i have had many over the years.

I feed mine frozen thawed bloodworms and HBH brand Frog and tadpole bites. I believe there is another company that also makes soft sinking aquatic frog food, but i trust HBH brand.

Personally i only target fed my frogs when they were young, old, or new, other than that i would scatter food through the whole tank every other day so that they could forage for food. Not only is it enriching, but they get moving while looking for food, and dont become fat blob frogs. lol! I also found that this hinders the ability of the fish to eat all of the frog's food, because a lot of it would go where the fish couldnt see it or reach it.

I hope this helps! And please, feel free to pick my brain. X3
 

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Yeah. 3 gallons? You said I could keep one with my Betta in my 3 gallon. ?
 

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3 gallons per frog?
For females, which are larger, that is a good size, but that passage is directly copied from a good website, it isnt the standard. I believe it is a good starting place though, because of how active they are. I say near the bottom that you can follow the general rule of one gallon per inch as well.


Yeah. 3 gallons? You said I could keep one with my Betta in my 3 gallon. ?
And you can, if you keep up with the care. I say near the bottom that you can also follow the 'one gallon per inch of fish' rule with them. The passage about three gallons was copied right off a website.



Three gallons per frog is about the same standard as you see here on the forum about bettas. "2.5 gallons is the minimum for bettas!" ah, but what about those bettas that prefer one gallon? Like OFL says, 'a betta can be just as neglected in a ten gallon as they can be in a one' the same can be said for ADFs. If you take care of it correctly and give it all it needs, then it can be alright in less space, but remember, they are quite active in the right settings, and you may soon realize that the frog would ENJOY much more space.

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Sorry if I'm being picky, but I had a question about this part I read about Chytrid fungus.

The fungus consumes the Keratin in the amphibian's skin, the skin is afected and grows thicker therefore inhibiting the animals ability to breath through its skin and to regulate its internal electrolytes.
The build up of electrolyte salts such a potassium and sodium in the body is now believed to stop the heart.[1]
It takes around 2–3 months for a typical infected frog to die from this fungus. The speed of the infection varies with temperature as the fungus prefers cooler temperatures to grow.
Since the speed of the infection deapends on temperature of the water, should I quarintine longer for warmer water? For example, 3 months if the water if 75 degrees but 4 months if the water is 80 degrees. I've been thinking about setting up a 10 gallon for 2 -3 ADFs and want to make sure I quarintine long enough in case 1 of 3 frogs are sick. Since I'm in the US I just want to make sure getting a ADF now won't end in heart ache. T_T

Besides, if QT is really 3 months, I could pick up the frogs now and have them in 3 gallon kitter keepers while I save money up for the 10 gallon set up. Even if the frogs get a month head start on their 10 gallon permanent homes, cycling could still finish before QT time is up. XD
 

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Sorry if I'm being picky, but I had a question about this part I read about Chytrid fungus.



Since the speed of the infection deapends on temperature of the water, should I quarintine longer for warmer water? For example, 3 months if the water if 75 degrees but 4 months if the water is 80 degrees. I've been thinking about setting up a 10 gallon for 2 -3 ADFs and want to make sure I quarintine long enough in case 1 of 3 frogs are sick. Since I'm in the US I just want to make sure getting a ADF now won't end in heart ache. T_T

Besides, if QT is really 3 months, I could pick up the frogs now and have them in 3 gallon kitter keepers while I save money up for the 10 gallon set up. Even if the frogs get a month head start on their 10 gallon permanent homes, cycling could still finish before QT time is up. XD

Since the fungus prefers cooler water, you would actually be better off QTing them in cool water, to be able to tell if they are infected faster. Just keep them at the low end of their desired temp range for the QT period to watch.

You can avoid the three month QT all together just by buying from a breeder who ONLY breeds ADFs, or can guarantee that the ADFs have never come in contact with any other breed of aquatic frog (such as ACFs).

If you can only buy from a chain store, they QT is a must, i have tried to buy from a certain chain pet store ending in 'ETCO' and beginning with 'P', and they all have died in days. Only when buying from either small mom and pop stores, or local (even having them shipped) breeders have i had any luck with keeping them alive.

I hope this helped, though it may have ended up being confusing, because i am good at that. XD Good luck!
 

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this thread is extremely helpful!! i right now have a female in a 3.5g with one male betta i know it's a bit small but now i have plans to move her into my 5.5g with my other male and buy a male adf for her so she has a friend. I wanted to know what your thoughts were on this. I think she would enjoy the 5.5g much more than the 3.5g - the 3.5g is a little tall and i think she has trouble getting to the top. the 5.5g is much lower and longer. I'm not sure how Bocephus will react to the frogs since i just got him today. I want him to adjust to the tank for maybe a week or two before i add Dixie and then get my male. I didn't do a qt on dixie and she has been perfectly healthy so far. Ate the second day she was here but is extremely shy and there are some days when i can't even find her she's that good at hiding. do you think her in the 5.5 with a male and Bocephus would work better or do i need to get her her own tank? i really don't have the room for another tank...
 

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this thread is extremely helpful!! i right now have a female in a 3.5g with one male betta i know it's a bit small but now i have plans to move her into my 5.5g with my other male and buy a male adf for her so she has a friend. I wanted to know what your thoughts were on this. I think she would enjoy the 5.5g much more than the 3.5g - the 3.5g is a little tall and i think she has trouble getting to the top. the 5.5g is much lower and longer. I'm not sure how Bocephus will react to the frogs since i just got him today. I want him to adjust to the tank for maybe a week or two before i add Dixie and then get my male. I didn't do a qt on dixie and she has been perfectly healthy so far. Ate the second day she was here but is extremely shy and there are some days when i can't even find her she's that good at hiding. do you think her in the 5.5 with a male and Bocephus would work better or do i need to get her her own tank? i really don't have the room for another tank...
I think it is great that you want to get her her a buddy! :D

5.5 gallons for two frogs and one betta will be pushing the bioload, not saying dont do it, just be very certain to keep up with water changes and maintenance. ^^;

I usually say 3gal - 1 frog, 5gal - 2 frogs, 10 gal - 3-4 frogs. But those are just guidelines, and by no means the law in ADF keeping. XD

Hope that helped! Any more questions just give me a shout, i am here nearly every day!
 

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Since the fungus prefers cooler water, you would actually be better off QTing them in cool water, to be able to tell if they are infected faster. Just keep them at the low end of their desired temp range for the QT period to watch.

You can avoid the three month QT all together just by buying from a breeder who ONLY breeds ADFs, or can guarantee that the ADFs have never come in contact with any other breed of aquatic frog (such as ACFs).

If you can only buy from a chain store, they QT is a must, i have tried to buy from a certain chain pet store ending in 'ETCO' and beginning with 'P', and they all have died in days. Only when buying from either small mom and pop stores, or local (even having them shipped) breeders have i had any luck with keeping them alive.

I hope this helped, though it may have ended up being confusing, because i am good at that. XD Good luck!
Unfortunately, my only options are Petco and Petsmart. There used to be a local Aquarium near me, but the economy wasn't very nice to it. So, I'm stuck with the long QT time. T_T

I'm nowhere near starting at this point. I may ask for supplies for Christmas, but the frogies are on hold. Thanks for the tips. Now I know how to plan everything better and the general timeline I'll use. :D
 

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I think it is great that you want to get her her a buddy! :D

5.5 gallons for two frogs and one betta will be pushing the bioload, not saying dont do it, just be very certain to keep up with water changes and maintenance. ^^;

I usually say 3gal - 1 frog, 5gal - 2 frogs, 10 gal - 3-4 frogs. But those are just guidelines, and by no means the law in ADF keeping. XD

Hope that helped! Any more questions just give me a shout, i am here nearly every day!
ok thanks! i think i am going to try it i'll just to be sure to do atleast a 50% water change once a week unless you think more might be needed. and i will definitely come here with anymore questions :)
 

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I have an ADF (Slick) in my 10 gallon tank. He's a skinny little thing and comes out mainly at night. But all the other times, he just hides inside his little house at night. Occasionally, he'll peek out the windows, but otherwise, I don't see him much. I've been monitoring my other fish along with him.
I'm concerned he's not eating. I try to put the food inside of his house (since that's where he is most of the time) but still, I don't know if he's eating it. Darned hiding places.

Any tips? I'm scared that he's starving. I'm still new at this so I've got paranoia. I have the HBH bits that you're talking about and also a sinking granule. I need to find the bloodworms though.
 

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I have heard of ADFs eating bettas, is this true or what?

lol, that is completely false! ADFs rarely get more than two inches long.

What you are thinking of are ACFs, or African CLAWED frogs. They get big enough to eat good sized goldfish.
 

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I have an ADF (Slick) in my 10 gallon tank. He's a skinny little thing and comes out mainly at night. But all the other times, he just hides inside his little house at night. Occasionally, he'll peek out the windows, but otherwise, I don't see him much. I've been monitoring my other fish along with him.
I'm concerned he's not eating. I try to put the food inside of his house (since that's where he is most of the time) but still, I don't know if he's eating it. Darned hiding places.

Any tips? I'm scared that he's starving. I'm still new at this so I've got paranoia. I have the HBH bits that you're talking about and also a sinking granule. I need to find the bloodworms though.

The best thing i can think of to make sure he is eating, is to put him in his own container at feeding times.

It may be stressful for him at first, being chased and caught, but soon he will learn that it means food, and come to you.

The pellets are great, but bloodworms really are needed for full diet. Male frogs do tend to stay skinny their whole lives. Females will get fat though. lol So cute.
 

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i'm having problems getting my female to eat too, my male VT she's with right now is a bully and i'm gonna move her probably this weekend in hopes that my other male is more docile. He's not bulling her persay but he gobbels up her food. I started trying to target feed her today with a pair of long tweezers and a terra cotta saucer and it went alright. She ate one pellet before Rebel saw what we were doing and came down and gobbled them up - i even poked the brat with my finger and pushed him away and he just bit me and continued to eat the food... gonna try targeting with blood worms tomorrow in hopes she'll eat those better
 
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