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My betta has had a swollen edemdis head bow for almost 2 weeks, general cure and furan 2 treatments no change. Water parameters good nitrates 10 to 15 zeros on the rest (maybe low ammonia but pretty close to zero) have had over a year and got him as a baby betta.
I'm a 10 gal filtered tank with silk and soft plastic plants no house mates.
Eating great normal stools.
Nothing I can find is similar. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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His top lip is not missing while they have been swollen for a month they have not became necrotic and it is still there. Also everything in the form is pretty much answered in my original question.
10g filtered tank 78 degrees awesome silk plants no housemates.
Did a salt bath normally helps in his case stressed him out as in today is the first day he is not moving or eating. No signs of fin rot or velvet. Also no distenson I'm abdomen.
 

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If you do not wish to fill out the form that's fine, but I am unwilling to post what would be pure guesses which is what I'd be doing without the info that the form request. Info such water changing schedule, type of water used, how is the water changed.
 

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<<snip>>Also everything in the form is pretty much answered in my original question.<<snip>>
As Rainbo said, we aren't willing to guess without all of the most important information. That is one of the things about this Forum that separates us from others: We discourage guessing. Please note:

"Even if you're already answered many of the questions in text form you we ask you fill out the form so we will have a quick reference for information."

With situations such as this one, a "before" photo for comparison also helps.
 

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Housing:
How many gallons is your tank? 10g
Does it have a filter? Yes
Does it have a heater? Yes
What temperature is your tank? 78
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? Yes
Does your Betta have tank mates? No
What kind?

Food:
What food brand do you use? Pellets
Do you feed flakes or pellets?
Freeze-dried? No won't eat them
How often do you feed your Betta? Twice daily
How much? 5 to 7 pellets

Maintenance:
Before
your Betta became ill how often did you perform a water change? Twice weekly
What percentage of water did you change? 25%
What is the source of your water? Tap
Do you vacuum the substrate or just dip out water? Vacuum gravel
What additives do you use? What brand of conditioner? Prime 2 gtts per gal

Water Parameters:
What are your water parameters? Please give exact numbers. If tested by pet store please get exact numbers. "Fine" or "Safe" won't help us help you. Important: Test your water before the regular water change; not after one.

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 10
pH: 7.4
Hardness (GH): unknown
Alkalinity (KH): unknown

Symptoms and Treatment:
When did you first notice the symptoms? 6 weeks ago
How has your Betta’s appearance changed? First edema noted in lips now full head and eye sockets but not swelling or cloudiness in eye itself. Head in pale in color
How has your Betta’s behavior changed? More lethargic past week
Is your Betta still eating? Yes
Have you started treating your Betta? If so, how? General cure, api cure, salt halts, baytril antibiotic baths (injectable baytril measure by aquatic specialist) treatments not all performed at the same time
Does your Betta have any history of being ill? No
How long have you owned your Betta? 1 year bought as baby betta
Was he or she ill or suffering some sort of damage when purchased? No

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Note you do not need an entire new set-7up if a hospital tank is required.

You can hang a Dip & Pour on your existing tank to take advantage of the tank's heater; just set the heater a bit higher than normal. The medium size will hang on a 2.5 quite easily. If you cannot find them locally, RusselltheShihTzu can vouch for this eBay vendor.

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Also noted besides his head his full body has color and no signs if fin rot or clamped fins. My worry is his swollen lips are giving him difficulty eating but he has no interest (never has since a baby) in any other food source besides pellets. My other betta is in a different tank and doing wonderful purchased at the same time. I have had a previous betta pass of mycrobacterium but I chucked that tank and all its belongings. This is not quite the same presentation as that fish and even the aquatic specialist I see has never seen this before so we are trying to see if anyone else has. Thank you for your time
 

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I'm afraid I don't have any advice, I've never seen something like this! My only thought was that it kind of looked like he'd gotten his head stuck in the pipe of a filter- but it wouldn't stay swollen for so long if that was the case, nor progress to cover a larger amount of his head, so it's clearly not that.

Maybe try some Epsom salt to see if it helps the swelling go down? And good luck finding an answer!
 

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The only thing I know to suggest is Epsom Salt to see if it helps reduce swelling. There are a couple of ways to use it: One tablespoon per gallon in a 10-minute dip is one. One teaspoon per gallon 24/7 with 100% changes every 24 hours is another. Do the latter for no more than 10 days.

I Googled "Betta with swollen head" and found three that look like yours. Unfortunately, no one received any answers as to cause or treatment. Although one did say his was better after two rounds of General Cure.
 

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Thanks so much for filling out the form! It did help to narrow the list of what could be going on.

About the only thing I'm finding that it could be, and I'm not positive that it's it because I'm having a hard time finding a decent article on it, is Corneybacteriosis. From what I can find the treatment for that is antibiotic they specifically mention Penicillin or Tetracyline.
 

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I've used betta salt before but never Epson salt. Is is something you could use in the whole tank vs the baths? I only ask because he seems stressed when I do the baths.
 

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Yes, Epsom can be put into the tank directly. It may affect live plants and inverts if you have any, I'm not sure, but it won't harm the bio-filter/cycle.

You can use 1 teaspoon Epsom salt per gallon, dissolved in a bit of tank water before adding. You would want to remove the salt after about a week since it's not good for bettas to be in it long-term. (Sometimes it's necessary for a fish to stay in Epsom much longer, as with some types of chronic SBD, but in general you want to avoid this)
 

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Epsom Salts can be used at one teaspoon per gallon in a hospital tank. Change 100% daily and treat no more than 10 days. If you can get a hang-on container like they use in the pet stores before putting fish in a bag you can use that so he still has the benefit of a heater.

Baths are extremely stressful but it helps if you use a "reviving" tank. One Internet source suggests a second container with 1/4 salt and 3/4 tank water. After bath, put fish in reviving tank for five minutes before returning to main tank.

I'm sure you know this, but for those who don't: ES is used for swelling/edemas; AS is used for external issues.
 

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Just an update, took Charlie (my betta) to work today, we are going to put him down and send him out for necropsy to see what happened.
Past 2 days he has been sleeping verticle with head out of the water but the oxygen levels are good so it was odd. Starting yesterday he would dart for his food but due to his swollen lips he couldn't grab his kibbles :-( will update when the results are back
 

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Oh no, I'm sorry for your loss. It sounds like you really were doing everything you could for him, and I'm sure he appreciated your efforts.

Thank you for planning to have him necropsied and to share the results, I've never seen a case like his so I would be very interested to hear the cause if one can be found.
 

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Will do will probably be a week or so he actually was put to sleep this morning.
  • We gave one last try between daily baytril baths and Acetazolamide baths. No improvement and attached is how drastic his change was in 5 days time. He became quite thin and developed a S shape. I've had another betta previously die of TB so I worry this may be another case.
Poor little guy.
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