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I have had my betta for two months going on three now. I had him in a case at work for a month then I took him home and got him a tank . Trying to set my tank I have had issues getting the correct filter and I'm learning as I go..my fish has become super sick. I have been reading on his symptoms and he seems to have ammonia poison. First I see I thought it was fin rot then a bacterial infection now I'm seeing that it might be ammonia poisoning!

I have done the water change the filter is on I am testing him for bacterial medicine. Life guard by tetra. He has seem to be worsening ..what am I doing wrong what do I do!!! I don't want him to die! Please help!!!! :,,,(
 

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when I had in a vase he was fine and seems since I moved him into a bigger tank and added all these things to help him live better he has gotten sick and worsening by the day.
 

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i read that those don't really get rid of ammonia but just turns it into a safer form of it. SO I'm just starting to change his water, its just tough to see him twitch and gasp for air. i caught it too late i didn't know what was going on with him until he started to really weird...i have him in a 5 gallon tank, its only half filled. I use tap water and then put API stress coat dechlorinator and have added API sea salt, he has a heater set at 76-78 degrees. They have told me to try to change his water to drinking water instead...
 

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It turns it into a form that isn't harmful to the fish, generally for a limited amount of time. If he is already having a hard time breathing, using Stress Coat might make it even worse. The aloe vera in it can gum up his gills, making it harder to expel the air.

However, it is too hard for us to say without more information. Fill out the form and take some pictures of him (close enough to see him clearly) and of his tank as a whole.

Housing:
How many gallons is your tank?
Does it have a filter?
Does it have a heater?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Does your Betta have tank mates? What kind?

Food:
What food brand do you use?
Do you feed flakes or pellets?
Freeze-dried?
How often do you feed your Betta? How much?

Maintenance:
Before your Betta became ill how often did you perform a water change?
What percentage of water did you change?
Do you vacuum the substrate or just dip out water?
What additives do you use?

Water Parameters:
What are your water parameters? Please give exact numbers. If tested by pet store please get exact numbers. "Fine" or "Safe" won't help us help you.

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness (GH):
Alkalinity (KH):

Symptoms and Treatment:
When did you first notice the symptoms?
How has your Betta’s appearance changed?
How has your Betta’s behavior changed?
Is your Betta still eating?
Have you started treating your Betta? If so, how?
Does your Betta have any history of being ill?
How long have you owned your Betta? Was he or she a rescue?

PLEASE PROVIDE CLEAR PHOTOS

NOTE: EMBED YOUR PHOTOS INSTEAD OF LINKING. Click on "Go Advanced" and then on the paper clip in the toolbar.
 

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i will fill this out. at this point i think i made things a lot worse with the API Stress coat :( and i don't wanna stress him more by doing yet another water change...
 

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Let's just take a deep breath and fill out the form with a few pictures :) Pictures will let us actually see him and his condition (and living space) - lots of us diagnose better with pictures included instead of just text. Hang in there.
 

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Housing:
How many gallons is your tank? 5 gallon tank

Does it have a filter? yes a foam one

Does it have a heater? yes he does have it at 76-78degrees

What temperature is your tank? 76-78 degrees

Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? i have an anubis live plant
inside, had a fern but took it out because he was freaking out because of it (when it got close, its pretty big)

Does your Betta have tank mates? What kind? no tank mates he's all alone

Food:
What food brand do you use? Hiker betta bio-gold pellets

Do you feed flakes or pellets? pellets
Freeze-dried? have not fed these before but have some

How often do you feed your Betta? How much? when i first got him i would feed him 7-8 tetra pellets once a day in the morning. When i got the hikari i would do 4 in the morning. Then my mother decided to throw in several pellets inside one day and had to remove them myself. ( i believe this was the cause of the illness or worsened it..)

Maintenance:
Before your Betta became ill how often did you perform a water change? i had a hard time with this because the filter i bought had a strong current and i turned it off sometimes ( he would hide in the cave) then i got the foam one but by then it was to late (this one works well) i had no idea about how often i should do water changes because the pet store told me to change it every two weeks. since he's been in big tank I've changed the water 100% 2 times. and like 3 25% water change in a course of almost two weeks. the water got muggy often like by the next day (this is before the new filter and with the old one off)

What percentage of water did you change? twice 100% and 3 time 25% and I've also done a 50% water changes like twice..

Do you vacuum the substrate or just dip out water? when i do 100% change I've drained the water and then removed the pebbles and wash them separately with water.
What additives do you use? API stress coat before that i used instant DeCHLor little blue bottle. i recently bought API sea salt, have only used this in the last two days..(i just found out about that) I've bought tetra fungus guard and life guard, did a treatment on tuesday changed 50% water today and put half a pill of lifeguard today with 50% of the tank filled.

Water Parameters:
What are your water parameters? Please give exact numbers. If tested by pet store please get exact numbers. "Fine" or "Safe" won't help us help you.

Ammonia:i do not have a kit (pet smart said it is not needed to just do frequent water changes.)
Nitrite: i don't have a way to test this :/
Nitrate: same as above
pH:7.6 i do have a kit and the water turns blue when i test on test tube
Hardness (GH):i don't know what this is
Alkalinity (KH): i don't know how to test this.

Symptoms and Treatment:
When did you first notice the symptoms? he started with fin rot, i noticed the darkness about a week ago but i didn't know what it was nor did i think too much about..ive had this tank for two weeks now so i would say the symptoms were really noticeable in the last week. I just started researching Saturday but it was already to late. Fin rot was advanced, he was already twitching but it was minor( it seemed like he was trying catch something in the surface of the water. i am completely clueless about these things. they got worse when i did water change and started medication for fungus guard. (stress coat was used this whole time)

How has your Betta’s appearance changed? since he's been in the tank, he's lost color and started to look real beat up with tares in fins ( i thought it was his cave so i got him a new one) then sat i saw big chunks missing and started to research..(had to leave for two days for an emergency and couldn't do anything until monday :( )

How has your Betta’s behavior changed? a week after being the new tank he started to dart at the surface like he was catching something, he started eating less and sinking to the bottom, his swimming changed, he started to hang vertically in the surface from time to time but still swam around

Is your Betta still eating?not eating but fasting him since tuesday he ate two pellets on monday

Have you started treating your Betta? If so, how? i started treating fin rot with tetra fungus guard didn't work so i went to look for life guard today is day one of treatment but thats when i learned of Ammonia poisoning, so i did a water change but again i used stress coat with the tap water :(

Does your Betta have any history of being ill? he was given to me almost two months ago now. He was in a long vase and seemed healthy to my little knowledge ate fine and swam around fine. he became ill when i switched him to the 5 gal tank

How long have you owned your Betta? Was he or she a rescue? i have had him for two months now. he was given to me by one of my homeless clients who got it as a prize in an arts program.
 

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Okay, there are many things you will need to eventually learn about tank care, but first let's get your Betta back to normal. You will need:
-A bare, heated hospital tank with no filter
-Aquarium salt
-An ammonia detoxifying water conditioner such as Kordon Amquel+ or Seachem Prime, either will work.
You can either buy a different hospital tank or just take everything out of the tank you already have.

To treat the fin rot, you will need one of the following medicines, whichever you can acquire the soonest:
-API Furan-2
-Mardel Maracyn-2
-Seachem Kanaplex
-Jungle Fungus Clear Tablets

(Your Fungus Guard is not actually an antibiotic, and won't have much of an effect against the rot.)

I would also recommend purchasing some India Almond Leaves, as the tannins released by the leaves help to soothe the fish. These can be found on Amazon or Ebay.

Also, you will need a water testing kit. The API Freshwater Master Test Kit has the best value, plus liquid test kits are more accurate.
 

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Methylene Blue is the best cure for ammonia poisoning and is also antibacterial. You will want to use it in a container outside the aquarium. Very safe for fish. It gets oxygen back into bloodstream fast. it stains be careful. 1 gallon container same temp as tank. 3 drops MB for 15 minutes, repeat in a few hours if still needed. Dump the blue water out when done. Great product to have when keeping fish.
 

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Once you have your hospital tank set up, fill it with water conditioned by whatever ammonia detoxifier you bought. It will come with instructions on how to dose. You don't need the stress coat at this time. Remember to keep the hospital tank heated.

Start with dissolving 1/4 tsp of aquarium salt (AQ) per gallon. You will need to dissolve it in preconditioned water. Never add undissolved salt to a tank with a fish in it, as it burns. I scoop some tank water out and dissolve the salt in a separate container then add it back in.

If you have India almond leaves (IAL), you can add about 1 leaf per 5 gallons. There are many different ideas about IAL dosing, but that dose is safe and will still have an effect.

Once you have this setup, test it to make sure that all the water parameters are okay. They should be as follows:
Ammonia: <0.2 ppm, ideally 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: <20 ppm, ideally 0
Chlorine: 0
pH: 6.5-7.5
Hardness (GH): You can learn about this later.
Alkalinity (KH): Ideal is 120-180, but don't spend time fixing this right now if it's not.

Another thing: water conditioners detoxify chlorine and chloramines. Chlorine is toxic to fish. Many water supplies add chloramines to detoxify the chlorine but neither are great for the fish, so if you haven't been using a water conditioner that detoxifies them, chlorine, and to a lesser extent chloramines, may be harming your fish.

Once you have done all of this, you may add your betta to the hospital tank. I would let your fish get used to the new environment before medicating right away, maybe wait about 6 hours.
 

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Once you have your fish situated in the hospital tank, you can start to medicate for the fin rot. You might want to wait a few days and do some methylene blue baths before you medicate though. Once you have your fish in clean, treated water, the fin rot infection should slow down and you will be given some time to treat the ammonia burns before the fin rot.

Unless the fin rot is very aggressive and turns into body rot, it's probably the least harmful and least fatal of any betta ailment. Sometimes it will even heal by itself, but since your seems to be quite advanced, medication would be ideal.

Different medications require different types of water changes, so make sure to read the instructions regarding dosage and water changes. Also be aware that some medications will turn the water a different color.
 

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While you are nursing your fish back to health, be sure to read all the stickies in the Betta Fish Care section of the forums! These will teach you everything you need to know about setting up your tank, treating your water, water chemistry, and everything else about Betta care!
 

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Petsmart carries aquarium salt, Prime conditioner, and the API test kit. They also carry API Erythromycin and API Tetracycline which are also effective for treating fin rot. These will all be in general fish care sections since they are not for bettas specifically. They should have sections for conditioners, test kits, medicines, etc. If you want I can link you the specific products on the Petsmart website so you know exactly what you're looking for.

I don't think Petsmart carries methylene blue so you will have to order it from somewhere; I know you can from Amazon. Kordon is the least expensive brand and can be ordered on Amazon Prime. You will also have to order IALs from Amazon or ebay.

Pretty much everyone uses tap water. Tap water has minerals in it that are good for fish and it's also the least expensive.

Since he is having trouble swimming keeping the water low is good. Just keep in mind that since it is filled halfway you will need to dose things for 2.5 gallons instead of 5.
 
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