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Holly is recovering from his mysterious illness that caused those weird white patches. He's nearly back to his normal coloring and is eating well and seems happy enough in his 0.5g QT, other than staying at the top most of the time. I'm still treating his water with AQ salt and have started with Stress Coat today.

BUT his dorsal fin is disintergrating. It is seriously so full of holes it looks like a piece of lace! I thought the salt would stop any fin rot but it's getting worse every day. What do I do now??
 

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Yes, 100%. I'm using aged water from the now empty 21L tank that I'm still running and sitting Holly's QT tank in and just adding the salt (pre-dissolved) and stress coat into the QT tank before I put Holly in.
 

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You probably should add some medication. I've used both Maracyn-Two for freshwater and Melafix successfully to cure fin rot. Don't add medication and salt at the same time. I do water change add salt then let it sit for an hour or two before I dosed the tank with meds.
 

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Can you post a picture? It could be any number of things, fin biting, fin blow out, getting torn on decoration/ filter. Honestly daily water changes and AQ salt (up to 3 tsp/gal) is the best thing for fin rot. IF it is not rot, the aq salt won't cure it, but will help prevent infection from setting in or spreading.
 

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I just went to take a photo of him and as he took a breath, the water expelled in bubbles from his mouth AND his gills. :(

He's been terribly sick for a few weeks. I joined this forum last week and there's a thread about him with loads of photos which I've just updated and bumped up the front page. He was doing really well, but now with his dorsal fin rotting and the bubbles as he exhales, I'm starting to think it might be time to euthanise him. I so don't want to, I love this little guy and he has fought so hard, but I don't want him to suffer.

This is what he looks like today:
 

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I started adding stress coat too, but haven't used any antibacterial treatments. Do you think he has a chance? He's eating really well but is getting skinnier and skinnier, on top of all the other issues. :(
 

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He might have a chance. Is his poop the color of his food or pale/white and stringy? If it's abnormal then maybe try for parasite medication.

His weight loss despite eating well makes me think possible parasite.

Maybe try spreading his food out to 3 feedings a day and add a pellet or two to his regular schedule. He might nee da bit more right now with him fighting off infection.
 

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His poo is normal. I even googled what healthy betta looks like to check, and yep - it's normal! I was feeding him 3 times a day but then I thought I gave him a mild case of SBD. I just don't know what the right thing to do is.

He is much calmer and happier with his plant and tunnel back and the darkened tub. Is he ok to be in a plastic tub or should I take the gravel out of his regular tank and put him in there? His QT is too small for his plant and tunnel to fit in....
 

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The only AB available at my local pet shop today was Melafix, which I didn't want to use given the mixed reports. I won't be able to get to another pet shop until Thursday (I have twins with autism, so we can't just go out to the shops whenever). What do I do? Is it worth using the cure all I have?

Poor holly is much calmer in his bucket with his plants and tunnel, but he keeps lying on the top of the plant so his mouth is right at the surface. He's still gulping the air and it's still bubbling out of his gills (mostly the good one, not the one that went silver).

I don't know what to do. :(. I don't him to suffer but I don't want him to die.
 

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Have you found out what the white patches are? When I heard white patches I thought columnaris. My girls, I thought had a very strong strain of fin rot and it was really columnaris and we are fighting it off with everyone in separate isolation!

If it is fungal, the water temperature shouldn't be raised because fungus loves warmer water...

Expelling bubbles, to me sounds like he's gotten air in his tummy - which can be from being out of water, SBD (overfeeding, or eating too fast, or eating too much freeze dried stuff)... Which Epsom, would help him with whatever is inside. I recommend daily 100% water changes... trying to keep him in the tank without removing him to avoid more stress. Or use a cup to scoop him out if need be.

Maracyn and Maracyn 2 combined is very good. Furan-2 is good too, but I find not as strong. If you can get it (even if not now for this fish, but for the future) kanaplex is very good to have on hand.
 

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I still don't know what the white patches were. They didn't look like any if the columanuris pictures I found online. They weren't fuzzy or cottony or anything. More like a discoloration and the gill that was worse looked slightly raised and as he got better, the scales were shiny silver with a blue sheen. Not like a fungal growth at all. I think we all ended up thinking possible amonnia burns or similar. There's loads of photos in my first thread (titled "my son's betta is very very sick").

He was responding really well to the daily 100% water changes and AQ salt. But his dorsal fin just started deteriorating and wouldn't stop. And then the bubbles. :( The bubbles happen when he takes a breath in - its like the air just comes straight out his gills. It also happens when he eats.

He's had some breakfast just now but he's still very lethargic and not happy. Every time I look at him he's resting on top of his plant, but he wiggles around and swims to me whenever he spies me. Poor little guy. I never thought I could love a fish this much. And I feel so terribly guilty because I did this to him by following what the pet shop told me to do, instead of what I thought was right. :(
 

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I wouldn't worry too much of the bubbles then. Some of my bettas, when they are not feeling good hae a tendency to do that as well. :) can you find out all of what your walmart/pet store/fish store sells? Maracyn and Maracyn 2 combo combats positive and negative grams - which is pretty helpful against almost any ailment lol.
 

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Hi. I'm sorry Holly has taken a turn for the worse. Poor guy. If he had some ammonia burns on his gills, then they probably are not functioning quite right, hence the bubbles. It would be best to treat him with an antibacterial med, as Pata and Myates suggested. Since it sounds like you don't have a very well-stocked LFS/LPS, your best bet is to go with API Furan-2 if you can. The Maracyn combo can also be effective but only if your pH is low. In higher pHs, 7.0 and over, the effectiveness of the medication diminishes quite significantly.

Keep him in the AQ salt, use Stress Coat if you have it and look for the one of those meds. I hope Holly can pull through. If he starts to have trouble swimming for the surface to get air, lower the water level as much as you have to.

Please don't blame yourself. Keeping fish in an ongoing learning process. You're doing a fine job taking care of Holly.
 

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Thanks Sakura.

I can't get macaryn - apparently they don't sell it in Australia. The only antibiotics I can find readily are Melafix/betta fix which are both tea tree oil based. I know the good pet shop 20 mins away have a huge range of API stuff, so I'll see if they have the furan-2.

He's got no salt in his water today - I thought he was only meant to be in salt for a week - but I have been using stress coat. The water level is quite low, but he likes to have his plant etc with him to hide in. When he's tired, he lies on the top of the plant so his mouth is only just below the water surface (it's only a short but dense plant).

The poor little guy still gives me wiggles and comes up to see me whenever I peek in his bucket. He's such a sweet little fish...
 
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