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Hi! I really didn't have time to read all the pages of this thread. I'm pretty sure my fish has this. When we first got him a month ago, his lower fin turned gray and fell off. He hadn't eaten in a week and just laid on the bottom of the bowl. After the piece fell off, he bounced back and was normal again. This was until about 3 days ago. He is now in a 10 gallon tank, he was hiding behind the filter and wasn't really active. Yesterday I noticed back tail had a grey spot, and he isn't swimming well. Today is even worse. Part of it has fallen off and there is a skeleton of the fin with little chunks on it. I uploaded a video to my photobucket. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c87/queenfaerie/4df050eb.mp4

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Hi Queenfaerie and welcome to the forum. It does look like your guy has something at least very similar to this that is killing the tissue on his fins. In your case, it looks like a really vicious strain of fin rot. :( Can you get any medications? Start looking for a medication called Seachem Kanaplex - you may have to order it online. If you can't find Kanaplex, get Maracyn II. Until you can get meds, put him in 2 tsps of aquarium salt per gallon. Predissolve the salt in a bit of tank water before you add it. If you have it, use API Stress Coat.

You can go ahead and private message me if you have any more questions. I hope this helps your little guy.
 

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Your best chance would be if you could administer kanamycin asap.. This broad-spectrum antibiotic is most often found in Seachem Kanaplex. Combining Kanaplex with Neoplex may help even more. Unfortunately, these medications are pretty hard to find in stores and most often have to be ordered online. If you can't find Kanaplex, I'd probably recommend either API Furan-2 or a combination of Mardel Maracyn I and II.
 

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Yeah, I was the someone. My pink dragon boy and my purple marble both died of it (as far as I can tell). The thing is, though, the pink guy had that ochre yellow-orange color spread first, then the grey-black. It looked almost like two stripes on him by the time I got the guy to get rid of him.

Also, there was a yellow guy, rasboras, and guppies who may have died of it, but I can't be sure. The guppies' tails were decomposed and everything, but I can't say with any certainty that was what killed them. I had a total of 14 fish (5 rasboras, 6 guppies, 3 bettas) die within a week and a half at most. And a snail. :c It's been a rough one...

Sorry, I don't have any pictures. But if it helps anyone at all, the guy at the pet store I went to said he had seen it before, but never seen in so severely or move so quickly. So at least some people know it's out there, you know? :/
 

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I can attest it's not just blues that get it. I've had a red female (and 3 blue females) die from it. More common in blues it seems, but my red female was the first affected actually.
 

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I hope people don't just look at a sick fish and automatically assume the worst. :/ I don't like posting in this thread because I feel like I'm perpetuating something. It's like getting chicken pox and the doctor thinks it's smallpox.

At the same time, though, I didn't think my fish would get something like this, and I didn't even know what was killing them until Phaistos died and then the very last one get sick. I still don't know what killed the rest of them.

The guppies were only in my tank for a day and a half. On a weird note, I found the last missing guppy buried underneath plants and gravel when I broke my tank down yesterday. It was the most horrible, lumpy gray thing I had ever seen. I didn't recognize it as a fish. :/ I won't describe it (too disgusting >.>) but I'm fairly sure it had at least something to do with the gray necrosis that killed Erasmos and Phaistos, if it wasn't the same thing. Maybe it took advantage of the dead body after the fish had died though? Like I've said, I can't be certain.

Just... new fish owners, please don't assume the worst about your fish. :c It's sad that we would have to see a disease like this at all, but it seems pretty rare.
 

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Erin, to address your concerns: this thread is for people to read about the symptoms of this disease and to report any possible cases.

This thread is not to scare people away from keeping and loving blue/teal/red bettas.

Just to reiterate, anyone who has a betta who has exhibited similar symptoms to this disease is asked to notify me or DarkMoon17, especially if there is a possibility the betta can be submitted for tissue sampling. We would like to find out the exact cause of this disease so we know how best to treat and/or prevent it.
 

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Rainbow, my mostly blue, green, and teal betta (although he also had a black face, red in his fins some purple and white at the very tip of his front bottom fins) passed on sometime in the night. Yesterday morning he was fine and chipper. Then when I came home from work he was hiding in his coral reaf hidey hole and only came up for air. I noticed his face was covered in white stuff and his eyes were glassy. His back fin mainly was deteriorating and all his fins had a dark grey/graphitey look to them. It got worse over the nest few hours and he started getting really slow and lethargic as well as just letting the current carry him around. I tried treating him with some fungus clear stuff (that said it was also for fin rot and cloudy eyes and everything else he appeared to have) but that obviously didn't help. I simply thought that he and one of the new African Dwarf Frogs that I just got (who was dead upon my arrival home) got into a fight and the frog beat him up pretty bad. But I researched all over and found nothing at all about it and so finally asked on yahoo answers. Someone posted and suggested this malicious disease/thing might be the culprit. They were right, I came here and looked around and he most definitely had whatever this crap is. It killed him in about 12 hours I'd imagine. I'm horrified. He was the first Betta I've ever had (first fish too but I've had him since November) And I've tried so hard to be good for the little guy. Now... he's gone.

I'd like to donate his body so that we can find out what is killing all these babies. I am very upset and angry and a lot of other things. I really loved that fish :/ Should I call up veterinary clinics in my area and see what they can do? Should I send his poor little eaten body to this Darkmoon person I've been hearing so much about? I'm afraid to get another betta cause I don't want to lose them like this again...
 

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Today when I went to PetCo., as I was admiring the bettas as I always do, I found three fish with this mystery disease. Two out of the three were blue, and the third was teal, more green than blue. Any information helps, right? *useless*
 

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Hello. I'm new to the forum and have a very sick Betta as of this morning. I have been searching the internet for information on what could be wrong and finally found this thread that seems to describe what I have going on.

I have had my betta since Sept. 2011 (so 8 months now) and he is in a 10 gallon aquarium with a sponge filter and live plants. I do weekly water changes of approximately 30%. I test my water monthly with the API liquid test kit and last month (as always) my readings were: ammonia-0; nitrite-0; and nitrate-5. He has never had a health issue and always had bright color and been very active. He is fed New Life Spectrum Betta Pellets (4 in the am and 3 in the evening).

Last night when I fed him at 8:00 pm, he was fine and this morning when I turned on his light at 11:00 am, this is how he looked. He has a large gray area across his back, on both sides, and into his tail fin. He will barely swim and his eyes are sunken.



I haven't been able to read this whole thread yet but am going to go back and read it right now. I just wanted to go ahead an post this in case someone might be able to offer some quick advice. Although from what I have read so far, the outlook is not good.
 

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The pictures I posted earlier were taken around 2:00 pm or 2:30 pm this afternoon and by 5:30 he had lost his ability to stay upright and and was lying on his side and having very little gill movement. I just checked on him at 6:15 and he had passed.

These were taken at 5:30 pm and you can see how much more area was covered by the gray and how much lighter it had become.

 

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Oh my goodness.. that is terrible, and it affects only the "blues" I saw a few at Petco, and they had finrot..but I am just now hearing about this..very sad..:( I am sorry to all those who lost their friends to this horrible disease
 

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So Leto, my blue dragon HM, just passed away from what I assume is this disease. It presented a bit differently since he was a dragon scale (his fins turned greenish/grey instead of full black/ash colored) but he died less than 20 hours after symptoms first appeared and his body turned grey so pretty sure it's the same thing.

I have him preserved in a formalin biopsy jar and am preparing to have him sent out for a necropsy and hopefully a diagnosis. It will probably cost about $100-150 to have him tested, we'll know a more accuarate price once i've found someone who can do it. I am a college student and cannot work much because I have to shadow veterinarians whenever possible so if anyone wants to donate to this diagnosis please let me know. It would be very much appreciated!
 

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Ichtheology labs typically use 90% alcohol with fish. It will draw out all their color and turn it flesh/sculpy colored but it works.
 

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Alcohol is not the prefered preserve for necropses but it is easy to find. It's just 90% Isopropal slcohol (rubbing alcohol). Walmart sells it. Pharmacies probably do too.

Formaldehyde/formalin is very easy to get thought. Just walk into your local vet office and ask for a biospy jar. We all have them and if you just explain why you need it, they shouldn't have no problem giving you one.

To preserve fish while you are searching for a preservative, wrap it loosely in a paper towel or gauze and put it in the refrigerator (not the freezer). If the fish has been dead in the tank for more than 6 hours, it isn't a good subject for testing.
 

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I read to post 120 and if post #91 is right about hormones, fungus and bacteria are behind it then I would suggest a mix I found elsewhere that lead to me buying Kanaplex which will treat everything=bacteria, fungus and parasites you might want to try on this fast acting killer. In this post it said the hormones would work out of their system if they live long enough. Probably poster #91 hit it right on the nail as to the cause of this since they had seen it in bulk before. Even America is guilty of this when they used hormones in chickens that affected our young girls bodies that ate them long term and with breast cancer on the rise it may even have something to do with that.

The mixture I found was to make a product that is no longer made that was called Paragon 2 by Aquatronics. To make it you need Kanamycin combined with Furan 2 & Metronidazole. The Kanaplex (Kanamycin) & Metronidazole I use are by Seachem. Only problem with the site was it didn't break down exactly how to mix this up but I used the below for 10 days and it didn't kill 2 of my fish I treated with it.

Kanaplex can damage the kidneys if used for extented periods of time so 10 days was all I put them through.
I may have used Methylene Blue on them before using this which helps improve their oxygen, internal organ damage, etc. but I was not treating for this fast killing disease. I have no ideal if that can be used with this mixture or not, but I didn't combine them.
Furan-2 Powder (Nitrofurazone) can be harmful to you so protect your eyes/hands and don't breath any dust. Wash hands after use.

This is what I mixed up in a pill container to use in 2 gallons of water:
Kanaplex_Level spoon=5 gal...Level spoon-half=2.5 gal so little less than half spoon
Metronidazole_1 measure=100mg...25mg/2gal=1/4 measure
Furan-2 Powder(Nitrofurazone)_1pkg/10g daily...2 gal=1/5pkg..25-50mg Nitrofurazone/2gal=1/4 pkg to get Nitrofurazone amount

Treat: 2 Gal
100% water change...Dose 1
2 days=50 % water change...Dose 2
2 days=50 % water change...Dose 3
2 days=50 % water change...Dose 4
2 days=50 % water change...Dose 5
2 days=75 % water change
Each water change I did not get the water on me since the Furan-2 warns of cancer and I soaped the sink down, should have put it down the toilet.
It will turn the water yellow and have flakes in it that are okay.
The Furan-2 said the water color would clear up using a carbon filter, but that doesn't apply to a hospital tank. From there I just did the normal water changes in it getting the floating pieces out.
Not sure on these medications affect on niftifying bacteria.

Site that suggested this mixture:
Dose every 2 days with 50% water change before each treat for 10 days.

I don't like using heavy medications either, but if I'm not sure what I'm treating or a combo of problems or something like this fast killer it's worth having it on hand. I'm about to explore the use of epsom salt on one tonight, but if that doesn't get him better of his multiple problems he came up with a week after being put in a 5 gallon cycled tank I will use this as a last hope for him.
 

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BlueStar, I've read about some of the medications that used to be made by Aquatronics. It might be a potent mix of meds but it seems like little else works for this fast-moving mystery disease. Note to all: I would not recommend such a potent mix for ordinary cases of columnaris, fin rot etc. If you choose to use this mix, use it only for extremely severe cases where the fish will certainly die otherwise.
 

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Help! My fish is really sick

I have a new tank, onc the water levels were correct on Sunday I bought my betta. It is now Tuesday and for the last 6 hours he has been getting sicker. He has stopped moving laboured breathing stopped eating his tail fins are falling apart and he is turning a grey colour from
Tail up his body. I can't get any advice or medicine til
Tomoro and I'm worried he won't make it that long! What is happening to him?!
 
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