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In other words it's getting bigger than both of you. LOL. It"s really amazing how it has grown for these little guys. You may have a better spawn survival going for you.
 

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In other words it's getting bigger than both of you. LOL. It"s really amazing how it has grown for these little guys. You may have a better spawn survival going for you.
Haha, you are right! It IS getting bigger than the both of us.
My goodness....I'm like the old woman in the shoe! Had so many children I didn't know what to do! 馃槀
 

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5-8-19: SPAWN LOG #10
Ok, so I'm having an issue with some mystery particles....

I've posted in the planted tank forum and hopefully someone will be able to help. But here is the post.........
I normally post in the breeding and photo forums but thought folks here could help as the issue started when I added plants to my fry tank.
* A little background info. - I moved my Mustard Gas fry to a 10 gal tank when they were approx 5 days and added Hornwort from my LFS. This was a week and half ago as now the fry are 2 weeks old. I know that this store is family owned and grow their own Hornwort in their pond at the residence. I've purchased this plant from them before which are currently in my other tanks (no issues).
A few days ago I noticed and explosion of pond snails as well as these particles floating at the surface of the water along the edges (photo). They are off-white in color, thin and sometimes curved. I thought the were larvae but they do not appear alive.
I've tried to suck them out the particles and tiny snails using a turkey baster every day but they keep reappearing (both). I've added 4 Assassin snails from my other tank but the particles are starting to concern me as I don't know where they are coming from or if they are harmful to the fry.

The fry seem ok but I'm getting worried.
 

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5-8-19: SPAWN LOG #10
I have posted everywhere asking for help with these worm like particles in the Mustard Gas fry tank and no one seems to know what they are. I siphon them out twice a day and they keep coming back. I'll attach more pics below. I dont want to take any chances so I am removing each baby one at a time. The particles are all over so I have to be careful not to accidentally take any with the fry so I need to use a small dropper to catch them.
Masitos are still super tiny and really quick so this will take all night. I don't think they will all make it but I will try my best to get as many as possible.
I have class tomorrow and a quiz but I don't know what else to do.This is a very stressful and frustrating situation but i will remain hopeful that all will work out. ONE BABY AT A TIME!!!.....馃槱馃槹馃槥馃槬馃槗....
 

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Almost midnight and still going. I'm plucking each fry out one at a time with a medicine dropper so I don't suck up particles. I slipped and fell and now my back hurts but got to get this done! See pic below at the ones I caught so far. HOW MANY DO YOU THINK THERE ARE? This is only about half of them....馃槀
Anyway...back to work. 馃槱


5-8-19: SPAWN LOG #10
I have posted everywhere asking for help with these worm like particles in the Mustard Gas fry tank and no one seems to know what they are. I siphon them out twice a day and they keep coming back. I'll attach more pics below. I dont want to take any chances so I am removing each baby one at a time. The particles are all over so I have to be careful not to accidentally take any with the fry so I need to use a small dropper to catch them.
Masitos are still super tiny and really quick so this will take all night. I don't think they will all make it but I will try my best to get as many as possible.
I have class tomorrow and a quiz but I don't know what else to do.This is a very stressful and frustrating situation but i will remain hopeful that all will work out. ONE BABY AT A TIME!!!.....馃槱馃槹馃槥馃槬馃槗....
 

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Oh Ma I can't think of any thing worse to have happen. They do look like some type of worms or larva. Could they have come from the food? But than you would have seen them before this.

You fell? Are you alright? And on top of all this having to go to class with no sleep. Do you think you got as many fry as you could save? This is starting to turn into a bad dream for you. I wish I were not 3000 niles away and could help. Please take care of your self, You are more important then anything else.
 

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I started around 7pm and nowIt's almoat 3:00am and just rounded up the last of the fry wirh a medicine dropper (pics of 1st and 2nd round). Had to make sure not to pick up any particles and pollute the new water. When they say something is as tough as herding cats? Well, I say try catching betta fry with a medicine dropper! 馃槀
Yeah I fell and now my back hurts but it should feel better when I go lay down. Thanks for asking O.D.... 馃槍
All I can say is this really sucks. But you gotta do what you gotta do. Although there were a few more casualties (maybe 20), No betta was left behind!
Fingers crossed the fry survive in their emergency tank. I'm a little nervous as it is 100% new water. I didnt even want to use the old filter.
Can you guess how many fry are pictured in both batches I took out? 馃槀



Oh Ma I can't think of any thing worse to have happen. They do look like some type of worms or larva. Could they have come from the food? But than you would have seen them before this.

You fell? Are you alright? And on top of all this having to go to class with no sleep. Do you think you got as many fry as you could save? This is starting to turn into a bad dream for you. I wish I were not 3000 niles away and could help. Please take care of your self, You are more important then anything else.
 

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I would guess there are over 150 but really haven't had time to count them. You have done an amazing job. You need to get some sleep and rest your back. I hope your class isn't an early one. Did you get any time to study?

It's too bad you can't go back on the LFS. That is the real shame here. They are selling plants with problems. But than again my dear, and I hate to say this because I think what you are doing is fantastic. But Rule #1 Never put any thing into a tank with out quarantining it first for at least a week. I know there was a hurry for the cover and hides and choices have to be made. We do the very best we can with the situation we are handed. You have done so much and your time will be rewarded. The fry will survive and make others happy that they did.
 

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I totally agree. Strange thing is....I have the same plants in three other tanks one of which I split with the fry tank. Perhaps the half that went into the fry tank had the problem. The daughter and co-owner of the LFS is a Biologist and has always taken extra precaution with all of the plants they grow as well as their livestock. I did go back to them with a sample of the particles polluting my tank and they felt horrible. She is determined to find out what they are and will double check everything going forward.
I honestly think it was a fluke but like you said I should have quarantined them anyway. Better safe than sorry. Thank you as always for your encouragement.....I'm going to take a Motrin and hit the sack. I will check on them first thing and enter a spawn log in the evening for an update.
Good night everyone! 馃挏

I would guess there are over 150 but really haven't had time to count them. You have done an amazing job. You need to get some sleep and rest your back. I hope your class isn't an early one. Did you get any time to study?

It's too bad you can't go back on the LFS. That is the real shame here. They are selling plants with problems. But than again my dear, and I hate to say this because I think what you are doing is fantastic. But Rule #1 Never put any thing into a tank with out quarantining it first for at least a week. I know there was a hurry for the cover and hides and choices have to be made. We do the very best we can with the situation we are handed. You have done so much and your time will be rewarded. The fry will survive and make others happy that they did.
 

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5-9-19: SPAWN LOG #11
Today the fry are in their 5 gal holding tank treated with a little bit of Methylene Blue and salt. They went through a huge stressful ordeal yesterday and now just chilling. I fed them Baby Brine Shrimp today and they are so that was a good sign. I did, however, see more deceased. But I will confess I did drop the glass lid into the water which may have killed a few before. 馃槱馃槶I was pretty tired and it slipped. 馃槺

I set up the 20 gal Long (half filled) and have been cycling it in preparation for them to move into their final tank before jarring. They are very young and really tiny to be moved so much especially 100% water changes but it had to be done. I must say, these guys are very resilient like their dad Mas! He too has been through a lot back in the day when I first got him.馃槀
I will most likely transfer them tomorrow since the filter is from an established tank.

I've done some research and believe that the whitish particle were from the multiplting pond snails. I think theg were excreting something into the tank. Maybe they were sick. That is the only different between all my tanks. All my tanks and containers have parts and pieces of the Hornwort plant and none of them had this issue. Only this tank had the pond snails.the The more snails I took out, the more of them would appear. I ended up tossing everything except the heater. Filter, plants and moss balls. I even disinfected the tank by scrubbing it down with water containing a few drops of bleach along with the water siphon and buckets.

I did add plants and Marimo balls from another established tank and will take a few photos once they are moved in.

I needed to do water changes for everyone else but will wait until tomorrow. My back is really bugging me so I dont want to push it.
 

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Loss can't be helped with the gang you have. I know you hate to see it but it's a way of a betta life . The strong survive. I hate pond snails. The are no use in any tank. All they do is poop and breed. They are like an infestation of fly's. Too bad there is nothing like Raid that will only kill pond snails. LOL
You need to take care of yourself now. I know the feeling you are going threw with everything happening at once. But you need to take care of your self too. I know mom's don't get days off. But when every thing settles down at night just slip into a hot tub to soak your back. ( a bottle of Jack and a hot tub now there's a cure, or at least you won't feel any pain for a while.) :grin2::yourock:
Be safe and slow down a little the kids will be just fine.:wink3:
 

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LOL, Very true... No time for a bath but I did take a Tylenol with Codeine I had left over from my shoulder surgery. Not exactly a bottle of Jack but it did do the trick for a while. Slowed me down some enough to relax for a bit.
I'll post some pics tomorrow of the Masito gang. Places like this really help motivate me to overcome obstacles and get it done! Thanks! 馃挏




5-9-19: SPAWN LOG #11
Today the fry are in their 5 gal holding tank treated with a little bit of Methylene Blue and salt. They went through a huge stressful ordeal yesterday and now just chilling. I fed them Baby Brine Shrimp today and they are so that was a good sign. I did, however, see more deceased. But I will confess I did drop the glass lid into the water which may have killed a few before. 馃槱馃槶I was pretty tired and it slipped. 馃槺

I set up the 20 gal Long (half filled) and have been cycling it in preparation for them to move into their final tank before jarring. They are very young and really tiny to be moved so much especially 100% water changes but it had to be done. I must say, these guys are very resilient like their dad Mas! He too has been through a lot back in the day when I first got him.馃槀
I will most likely transfer them tomorrow since the filter is from an established tank.

I've done some research and believe that the whitish particle were from the multiplting pond snails. I think theg were excreting something into the tank. Maybe they were sick. That is the only different between all my tanks. All my tanks and containers have parts and pieces of the Hornwort plant and none of them had this issue. Only this tank had the pond snails.the The more snails I took out, the more of them would appear. I ended up tossing everything except the heater. Filter, plants and moss balls. I even disinfected the tank by scrubbing it down with water containing a few drops of bleach along with the water siphon and buckets.

I did add plants and Marimo balls from another established tank and will take a few photos once they are moved in.

I needed to do water changes for everyone else but will wait until tomorrow. My back is really bugging me so I dont want to push it.
Loss can't be helped with the gang you have. I know you hate to see it but it's a way of a betta life . The strong survive. I hate pond snails. The are no use in any tank. All they do is poop and breed. They are like an infestation of fly's. Too bad there is nothing like Raid that will only kill pond snails. LOL
You need to take care of yourself now. I know the feeling you are going threw with everything happening at once. But you need to take care of your self too. I know mom's don't get days off. But when every thing settles down at night just slip into a hot tub to soak your back. ( a bottle of Jack and a hot tub now there's a cure, or at least you won't feel any pain for a while.) [img= class=inlineimg]/images/Bettafish_2016/smilies/tango_face_grin.png[/img][img= class=inlineimg]https://www.bettafish.com/images/smilies/youRock.gif[/img]
Be safe and slow down a little the kids will be just fine.[img= class=inlineimg]/images/Bettafish_2016/smilies/tango_face_wink.png[/img]
 

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I've been following your logs for while so exciting how big they are getting. Those darn pond snails! im so sorry to have seen this happened. I had literally just looked up some research about live plants and saw the quarantine or disinfect advice. to see you have to deal with that's heartbreaking. These babes are going to be even stronger for overcoming these obstacles! Your doing great work! O.D is right tho, get some rest an try not to worry. it's gonna get better!
 

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Thank you so much for your encouraging words it means so much especially when I have a few setbacks. It's almost 8pm and haven't eaten anything all day. I was jarring all of my koi fry too. 馃槼馃槅


I've been following your logs for while so exciting how big they are getting. Those darn pond snails! im so sorry to have seen this happened. I had literally just looked up some research about live plants and saw the quarantine or disinfect advice. to see you have to deal with that's heartbreaking. These babes are going to be even stronger for overcoming these obstacles! Your doing great work! O.D is right tho, get some rest an try not to worry. it's gonna get better!
 

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5-10-19: SPAWN LOG #12
It's almost 8pm and realized I haven't eaten...馃槀
But the Mustard fry are doing well in their 5 gal. Holding tank while I cycle their 20 gal. New home. I was also jarring the rest of my Galaxy Koi x Nemo Koi fry as well. I will update that spawn log in a bit after I take some updated pics of them. Just fed the Mustard fry and they seem pretty chill right now. Attached a pic of a few of them. My Micro-farm has leaked into my modest kitchen now as well 馃槼馃槀.
 

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Wow you do have somethings going on. The mustard gas fry look to be doing great. And you do have quite the collection of Jared fry. What caused the leek in the farm.
I said it before and will keep saying it, You need to take care of yourself also, so the fry can be taken care of. with out their mom they will really have a tough time.

Have you talked to your local LFS about supplying them with some of your baby's? Or are you going to sell them on line? I know right now most of them are to young to be sold yet. From the pics when are you guys going to get a bigger place. soon your going to need a barn. LOL
 

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I am working on different options to sell including online. Several Pet stores have shown interest as well. Now I just have to get them grown!


Wow you do have somethings going on. The mustard gas fry look to be doing great. And you do have quite the collection of Jared fry. What caused the leek in the farm.
I said it before and will keep saying it, You need to take care of yourself also, so the fry can be taken care of. with out their mom they will really have a tough time.

Have you talked to your local LFS about supplying them with some of your baby's? Or are you going to sell them on line? I know right now most of them are to young to be sold yet. From the pics when are you guys going to get a bigger place. soon your going to need a barn. LOL
 

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I am working on different options to sell including online. Several Pet stores have shown interest as well. Now I just have to get them grown!
Glad to see there is interest from different places that is quite a brood you have going.

Ma you do know they will grow on their own, and in their time right? :grin2:

I really think you are going to do fine and this breeding venture will help support you. I have your contact info and if your interested I can talk to some of my contacts here on the East Coast for you. send me some pictures of them to my email and I'll get them out to them.
 

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Thank you so much O.D. That would be awesome!!! I need all the help I can get. 馃槀

I am working on different options to sell including online. Several Pet stores have shown interest as well. Now I just have to get them grown!
Glad to see there is interest from different places that is quite a brood you have going.

Ma you do know they will grow on their own, and in their time right? [img= class=inlineimg]/images/Bettafish_2016/smilies/tango_face_grin.png[/img]

I really think you are going to do fine and this breeding venture will help support you. I have your contact info and if your interested I can talk to some of my contacts here on the East Coast for you. send me some pictures of them to my email and I'll get them out to them.
 
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