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Hi everyone.

I've been dealing with a case of cloudy eye with my male HMPK for close to a month now. There was a point about a week ago where it was quite swollen.. but has since improved. I've tried aquarium salt treatments... epson salt treatments and daily water changes... It has gotten slightly better but he still doesn't seem to be at 100%.

He was MUCH worse recently... but he has never lost his appetite... just a bit of energy.

He lives alone in a planted 5 gallon tank that has been set up since 8/12. I upgraded him from a 2.5 gallon in August and had him in a 2.5 gallon prior (I got him in 1/2012).
Ammonia-0
Nitrite-0
Nitrate-5-10
pH ~7

Diet- frozen food (brine shrimp, blood worms, etc) NLS betta pellets

I do water changes every week... normally.. have been doing them more often recently due to the eye issue.

Until yesterday his tank was VERY heavily planted and didn't leave much room for swimming really... I had a massive anubias plant on driftwood in there and he spent much of his time hiding in there and I would only see him when I fed him at night.

Yesterday I decided to move the anubias monstrosity to my 29G planted tank and did some re-arranging. Now he has PLENTY of room to swim around and has been doing so today.. at least from what I've seen so far.

His one eye is still a milky color and is slightly larger than his healthy eye. I can see it moving like a normal eye, but it still appears to surrounded by fluid. I recently got a DSLR and have been able to FINALLY take some pictures of his eye.. which was very difficult to do with my old camera/his old tank set up.

Anyone have any thoughts? I did use flash for all of these, but you can see which eye I'm concerned about.

It's the farther away eye in this shot.


You can really see how one eye is white-ish in this one



This is the bad eye







Blurry, but shows how the bad eye is enlarged


This is his good eye

 

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I would keep up with the Espom salt treatments and be sure to dissolve the salt in some warm water before adding it to the tank. I told another member about this since she has a fish with eye problems also she should be able to help soon.
 

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Hello..Markham..thats me..and yup..my Sapphire in treatment as we speak..epsom salt and daily water changes and consistant heat ..could be parasites..and if yu see lil white stringy things comin out of his eye..that is what yu are dealing with..but my fishy is doin betrr.and he is been in treatment for 3 days..so keep doing epsom and water changes..
 

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My Sapphire..has had this issue off an on for 3 mons..and just recently did I see the parasites..it was scary..also if yu have some IAL use that..cook sime leaves..make a tea..and strain..and use with yur salt..and Stress coat..it will pull those buggies right out..Indian Almond leaves..
 

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Parasites.... hmmm now there's a route I haven't gone. I do have praziquel which is a mild anti-parasitic... I will do the epson salt with daily changes. I keep my heat at around 81F constantly.

I had used epson salt for over a week in the past and didn't see any improvement, are you using a higher dosage?

Have you tried any high salt concentration dips? I've read that those can help remove parasites, but that aquarium salt is better for that sort of thing.

I've had him since January of this year and this eye issue didn't come about until October of this year... could the worms lie dormant for that long?
 

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If you've used epsom salt for over a week with no help I would switch meds, but that's up to you. How much are you using? If you're worried about parasites, what does his poo look like? I see no signs of parasites on him myself. It's not really swollen either. It just looks infected.
 

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If you've used epsom salt for over a week with no help I would switch meds, but that's up to you. How much are you using and how long has his eye been like this? If you're worried about parasites, what does his poo look like? I see no signs of parasites on him myself. It's not really swollen either. It just looks infected.

I was doing about 2tsp/gallon. His eye has been like this since October. I'm going out to petsmart later today and I will pick up meds, I'll probably keep him in a tupperware and float him in my 29G for heat and do daily water changes because I don't want to kill my live plants of filtration bacteria.

What meds would you recommend? Should I get Tetracycline or Clinda? I know that tetra is a better broad spectrum antibiotic, at least in humans. (I'm a clincal microbiologist)
 

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Markham, it looks like his cloudy eye could be caused by any number of things. If he injured his eye and got a bacterial infection or if he has some external parasites that are bothering him. Believe it or not, there are microscopic flukes that will attack the eyeballs.

The medication you want to use is actually API Erythromycin. For an infection like this, a daily 10 minute bath in a double dose solution is your most effective and safest route. If you have a hospital tank, you will definitely want to use that for any medication, as most plants do not tolerate medications.
 

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Markham, it looks like his cloudy eye could be caused by any number of things. If he injured his eye and got a bacterial infection or if he has some external parasites that are bothering him. Believe it or not, there are microscopic flukes that will attack the eyeballs.

The medication you want to use is actually API Erythromycin. For an infection like this, a daily 10 minute bath in a double dose solution is your most effective and safest route. If you have a hospital tank, you will definitely want to use that for any medication, as most plants do not tolerate medications.
This sounds perfect! Thank you! I'll go out and get some right now. How many days should I do this for? I'll use a medium KK for a dosing tank.
 

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I would do this for maybe 5 days. If it doesn't improve, then another 3 days after that.

Good luck! He looks pretty healthy otherwise so fortunately it's a localized infection of whatever. In this case, I do tend to think it's bacterial because I think external parasites would probably go after all of his body, not just his eyes.
 

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Erythromycin is a good med, but if you can find Kanaplex (Kanamycin) I'd go for that instead. Less resistant bacterial strains and generally more effective, but harder to find because it's by Seachem which isn't distributed everywhere.
 

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Erythromycin is a good med, but if you can find Kanaplex (Kanamycin) I'd go for that instead. Less resistant bacterial strains and generally more effective, but harder to find because it's by Seachem which isn't distributed everywhere.


I've already started the Erythro and if this doesn't work I'll give him a rest, and order Kanomycin online
 

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Here is why I recommended erythromycin over Kanaplex this time:

"When used for many eye infections (especially when only one or a small percentage of fish are effected), use of Erythromycin at double dose in a medicated fish bath is often an effective and definitely safe method of use." --american aquarium products

That website is a resource whose experience and research in medications I really respect.
 

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It's been 3 days and I haven't seen any sort of improvement. How long will it take to notice a change?
 

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Could be several days. If he will tolerate it, you can try giving him the baths twice a day. If he shows any signs of distress, remove him immediately though. If after another 3 days there is no sign of improvement, we'll switch to a different med or try leaving him in a regular dosage of erythromycin instead of the baths.
 

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Offhand, I'd say yes but for the best results and ultimate sterility, I'd say no. I don't think it will do much harm if you do reuse it, though.
 

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Offhand, I'd say yes but for the best results and ultimate sterility, I'd say no. I don't think it will do much harm if you do reuse it, though.
Okay I figured. I haven't reused any yet and won't start.
 

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Still no improvement, even with baths twice daily. I got some new pictures. His eye is still cloudy and slightly enlarged. And overall, he just doesn't look good. It's hard to explain.. his overall demeanor just looks sickly. He isn't as vibrant as he used to be, and does lie on the bottom quite a bit.
I got some pictures tonight, some of them look warped because he was in bottom front corner of the mini-bow. Some are out of focus and some have water spots... I should have cleaned before getting camera happy... but any thoughts? Maybe it's something more serious?
The god news is that he does tolerate the baths very well so he's a little trooper.



Slightly distorted by it being by the bow of the tank, but this is what he does most of the day..








Blurry, but shows the two eyes in one shot


His good side
 

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Hmm. I can see a little of the color fading. :(

Is he still eating? He looks a bit skinny. I wonder if we should try Seachem ParaGuard to target any external or internal parasite issues. We can combine this with Seachem Kanaplex at a ratio of 2 parts ParaGuard to 1 part Kanaplex and treat with this as a constant soak for 5 days in a hospital tank. The Kanaplex with target bacterial infections; my concern is if this is indeed a parasitic problem causing the cloudy eye, then he may have developed a secondary bacterial infection as well that is causing the general listlessness.
 
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