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In nine years of fishkeeping, a 2 years of breeding, I have never seen a lethal case of myco/TB. IN fact, I have never seen a case at all. Most fish deaths and illnesses can widely be attributed more to poor ownership than a rare bacterial infection.
And I agree.. but there is this becoming a problem in many places. This is a warning to be careful and make sure the proper product is used to get rid of it or keep it out of your fish.
 

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Just as a third party... this thread does seem rather panicked... yes it has good information, but what I worry about are people taking this and freaking out...
It is not to freak out.. but to make sure you are practicing good bio security in your own fish room and make sure you are aware of the signs. Not everyone can send fish to a lab. So how is the average Joe to even begin to consider this if all they hear is resistant so and so. It IS real and as such need to have correct information out so people can make INFORMED decisions.
 

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probelm is bettas and Z-fish are more susceptible than others. And the major supplier of bettas to the shops has it. It is in most fish I see in my local area and they come from same place. Just be careful.
 

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And I agree.. but there is this becoming a problem in many places. This is a warning to be careful and make sure the proper product is used to get rid of it or keep it out of your fish.
The thing is, I take EXCELLENT care of my tanks. Most people with instances of fish TB are having cycling issues, or water quality issues, or don't take care of their tank. Yes, all fish have some form of Mycobacterium. Well taken care of fish don't get over run by it. Its like saying beware!! Women have yeast! Be careful who you touch! Yes, all women have yeast, but its only the ones with the nasty hoo-has that need to worry about infection. Just like fish kept in nasty tanks.
 
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The thing is, I take EXCELLENT care of my tanks. Most people with instances of fish TB are having cycling issues, or water quality issues, or don't take care of their tank. Yes, all fish have some form of Mycobacterium. Well taken care of fish don't get over run by it. Its like saying beware!! Women have yeast! Be careful who you touch! Yes, all women have yeast, but its only the ones with the nasty hoo-has that need to worry about infection. Just like fish kept in nasty tanks.
It is not a care issue. There is an unusual strain finding it's way into the betta hobby. Fish can carry and shed it for months. And my fish receive excellent care. I allowed ONE sick fish in the fish room and did not take proper steps and lost years of work. And I can tell you other breeders have taken excellent care of their fish. This is NOT a water quality issue causing a disease that can be cured. You going to tell the Z-fish research facility that they have care issues? I think not. But they get this. You get it by not taking precautions to keep it out. And they are pretty sever on how they handle getting rid of it.

This is a heads up. If you have something you can not get rid of you have to face this issue. And you have to get the right kind of stuff to kill it on your tanks and everything else. And fish can not be cured. I was told by more than one expert to destroy everything and start fresh. This is what you read and what you do when nothing else is working. And you can be proactive about prevention.. or not.
 
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It is not a care issue. There is an unusual strain finding it's way into the betta hobby. Fish can carry and shed it for months. And my fish receive excellent care. I allowed ONE sick fish in the fish room and did not take proper steps and lost years of work. And I can tell you other breeders have taken excellent care of their fish. This is NOT a water quality issue causing a disease that can be cured. You going to tell the Z-fish research facility that they have care issues? I think not. But they get this. You get it by not taking precautions to keep it out. And they are pretty sever on how they handle getting rid of it.

This is a heads up. If you have something you can not get rid of you have to face this issue. And you have to get the right kind of stuff to kill it on your tanks and everything else. And fish can not be cured. I was told by more than one expert to destroy everything and start fresh. This is what you read and what you do when nothing else is working. And you can be proactive about prevention.. or not.
From a Microbiologist standpoint (yes that's me! BSAST MT(ASCP)) most bacteria disease are caused but lack of care. Most bacterial disease can be prevented by proper hygiene, or in the case of a fishroom, proper maintenance. As far as accidentally letting a bad fish in? Well, would you put an old lady with pneumonia in a room of babies? I think not. It's called quarantine for a reason. And in almost 100% of cases, a bad fish put in a healthy tank is not going to infect healthy fish. That fish will die and that will be the end of it. Healthy immune systems fight off disease.
 

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Their guess is 70% of the TRADE. That means ALL fish.
If 70% or 100% fish in the trade have this (because I guess it's the same thing apparently) then there's nothing we can do, there's no clean stock, one of those papers said it's even difficult for scientists to get Myco-free stock, why bother? You'll get a fish that will die in a few hours, or you'll get one that will die in a year. If every fish is going to die of Myco then there's nothing we can do. Killing fish and replacing them with more fish with Myco? I don't quite get it.
 
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If 70% or 100% fish in the trade have this (because I guess it's the same thing apparently) then there's nothing we can do, there's no clean stock, one of those papers said it's even difficult for scientists to get Myco-free stock, why bother? You'll get a fish that will die in a few hours, or you'll get one that will die in a year. If every fish is going to die of Myco then there's nothing we can do. Killing fish and replacing them with more fish with Myco? I don't quite get it.

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I was just thinking this same exact thing
 

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Originally Posted by Basement Bettas
Their guess is 70% of the TRADE. That means ALL fish.


70% = All fish? Math much?
 

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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...:blueworry:
 

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There are different strains. Some can be managed. Others can not. You eradicate the bad ones and the good care manages the good one. When opened most fish will show the mycos. But not be riddled with a strain that is killing them off.

And do the research on this DiesesMadchen. Fish carry and shed this without letting on they have it. When they do show signs.. often months later.. it is too late.

It takes a lab to determine if you have this. And even more lab work.. mine down to dna analysis.. to determine the STRAIN. Each is different. Google m triplex and see what they symptoms are compared to other strains. This triplex is what is showing up and it is a death sentence. it is not quick. Fish go months with this getting progressively worse. Not everyone has lab access so this is just a tool to use when all else fails. Get the proper TB killer if you set on a path to eradicate it or prevent it.

Again.. this is information from phd's that study this particular disease. Look up Dr Chris Whipps.. and read his papers. There are a few others.. but he is a leading researcher in the field and the source of what I have shared.

Some will heed and be careful. Some will try all kinds of meds before finally going this route,. And others will just keep on. To each his own. Now there is some other info besides add salt and all will be better in time.
 

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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...:blueworry:
Don't be. With good maintenance, chances are slim that a new fish will kill your stock. If you are worried, have a quarantine tank ready for any stock you buy.
 

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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...:blueworry:
I was thinking the same thing. You won't see a store warning customers about this potential problem.
 

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Oh, good lord, what a thread! There is a lot of good info in this thread. I just wish we could discuss it without everyone getting freaked out and flooding us with reports.
Well, with language like this:
THERE IS NO CURE and THE FISH WILL DIE
in a forum full of young people it is bound to get a little scary and heated.
 

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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...:blueworry:
with a healthy immune system chances not. but it is wise not to have hands with open cuts in aquarium water. I have had my hands in my water and to date I have no issues. But i am a lot more careful now.
 

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There are different strains. Some can be managed. Others can not. You eradicate the bad ones and the good care manages the good one. When opened most fish will show the mycos. But not be riddled with a strain that is killing them off.

And do the research on this DiesesMadchen. Fish carry and shed this without letting on they have it. When they do show signs.. often months later.. it is too late.

It takes a lab to determine if you have this. And even more lab work.. mine down to dna analysis.. to determine the STRAIN. Each is different. Google m triplex and see what they symptoms are compared to other strains. This triplex is what is showing up and it is a death sentence. it is not quick. Fish go months with this getting progressively worse. Not everyone has lab access so this is just a tool to use when all else fails. Get the proper TB killer if you set on a path to eradicate it or prevent it.

Again.. this is information from phd's that study this particular disease. Look up Dr Chris Whipps.. and read his papers. There are a few others.. but he is a leading researcher in the field and the source of what I have shared.

Some will heed and be careful. Some will try all kinds of meds before finally going this route,. And others will just keep on. To each his own. Now there is some other info besides add salt and all will be better in time.
No offense, but I prefer not to go off the misrepresented meanderings of a PhD, as it is usually the undergraduates doing the work for them. People working towards a degree doing research to get out of school. I work closely with a lot of PhDs and debunk a lot of what they say. I stated my credentials before. I AM a lab technologist and my research is pure when it comes to bacterial/viral infection. I do have a slight semblance of information that I put out. But I would like to know, besides google, what research you have done. Then you compare it to what I do for a living.
 

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Now I'm really scared that I'm going to get really sick from any fish that I buy...:blueworry:
This is why we need to be careful about the information we spread and how we spread it.

Finn, don't worry. You won't get sick. There are only a few zoonotic diseases that can be caught from fish and you have to have open wounds to get them. Most of the time, those diseases affect fishermen who work with wild fish every day.

BB, I'm going to have to ask you to back off of this a little and give people some time to process this information.
 

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There are different strains. Some can be managed. Others can not. You eradicate the bad ones and the good care manages the good one. When opened most fish will show the mycos. But not be riddled with a strain that is killing them off.

And do the research on this DiesesMadchen. Fish carry and shed this without letting on they have it. When they do show signs.. often months later.. it is too late.

It takes a lab to determine if you have this. And even more lab work.. mine down to dna analysis.. to determine the STRAIN. Each is different. Google m triplex and see what they symptoms are compared to other strains. This triplex is what is showing up and it is a death sentence. it is not quick. Fish go months with this getting progressively worse. Not everyone has lab access so this is just a tool to use when all else fails. Get the proper TB killer if you set on a path to eradicate it or prevent it.

Again.. this is information from phd's that study this particular disease. Look up Dr Chris Whipps.. and read his papers. There are a few others.. but he is a leading researcher in the field and the source of what I have shared.

Some will heed and be careful. Some will try all kinds of meds before finally going this route,. And others will just keep on. To each his own. Now there is some other info besides add salt and all will be better in time.
This makes no sense to me, not everyone has MT right now, even you yourself said only a lab can tell you what you have. I don't think you can look at a scratch on a fish and say it is Myco and not something completely different.
 

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Well, with language like this: in a forum full of young people it is bound to get a little scary and heated.
It is the truth. It is made to call attention to it and any posts saying to use such and such are totally false. If there WAS a cure the major fish farms would have it as would the research facilities. in humans it takes 6-9 months of several drugs to get rid of it. Just isnt happening with fish. I was told I might be able to get the human drugs .. but research has not cured it. All the meds do is slow down the progression. And my drug tests proved that as well. I got some improvement only to see a rapid decline and death.

No need to take my word for ANY of this. PLEASE do the research and see if what I have shared is not proved correct by common and recent research.
 
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