[NightStars]

Yesterday I noticed he was not using a pectoral fin and read that it might be an injury. I also read that raising the temp might work. Raised it to 79F. It did work and he now uses his pectoral fin but he has purple on it. I was wondering if it's just an injury or if he has to be treated for something? Thank you in advance.

 

[Chester41585]

I'm not entirely certain, but it could be bruising. I'm not too well educated on the big-ear or dumbo variety. If he injured it, this could be a sign of the injury.
If a person were to injure a muscle or joint, a warm compress would help increase capillary blood flow to help stimulate healing. Increasing the water temperature could be doing this.

Again, I'm no pro on that kind of stuff. I'm not even sure if fish bruise, but it's a starting point.

 

[AukWord]

Yesterday I noticed he was not using a pectoral fin and read that it might be an injury. I also read that raising the temp might work. Raised it to 79F. It did work and he now uses his pectoral fin but he has purple on it. I was wondering if it's just an injury or if he has to be treated for something? Thank you in advance.

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I'm concerned that may be necrotizing tissue.

He may be seriously ill, and need some rather intensive nursing care for a little while.

What fish meds do you have on hand, if anything?

 

[NightStars]

I'm not entirely certain, but it could be bruising. I'm not too well educated on the big-ear or dumbo variety. If he injured it, this could be a sign of the injury.
If a person were to injure a muscle or joint, a warm compress would help increase capillary blood flow to help stimulate healing. Increasing the water temperature could be doing this.

Again, I'm no pro on that kind of stuff. I'm not even sure if fish bruise, but it's a starting point.

I read on google that fish can bruise but I'm not sure on how reliable that is and yes it's a starting point. Thank you for your reply.

 

[NightStars]

I'm concerned that may be necrotizing tissue.

He may be seriously ill, and need some rather intensive nursing care for a little while.

What fish meds do you have on hand, if anything?

Thank you for the reply.

I have Ick Clear and Fungus Clear on hand.

 

[jarabas]

Can we please get a little background--if you can answer as many of these questions as possible it will help us figure out what this is.

Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?

Is he eating?
Is his activity level normal or if it has changed how so?
You say he wasn't using his fin--can you describe his swimming in a little more detail?

What is in the tank with him decoration wise?
Anything else you can tell us will help.

Thanks!

 

[NightStars]

can we please get a little background--if you can answer as many of these questions as possible it will help us figure out what this is.
Thanks!

Housing
what size is your tank? Divided 5.5 gallon
what temperature is your tank? 79 F
does your tank have a filter? No
does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? No
is your tank heated? Yes
what tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
what type of food do you feed your betta fish? New life spectrum small fish with occasional brine shrimp.
How often do you feed your betta fish? 2-3 times daily

maintenance
how often do you perform a water change? Weekly
what percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 50% to 100%
what type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Prime

water parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
Ph:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and treatment
how has your betta fish's appearance changed? His pectoral fin turned purple. Now it seems to have ripped. I will insert more pictures below.
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? He seems to be acting normal. Swimming and eating fine.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? Yesterday i noticed he was not using his fin and today i saw his fin purple.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)? I don't know.

Is he eating? Yes
is his activity level normal or if it has changed how so?
You say he wasn't using his fin--can you describe his swimming in a little more detail?
He had it tucked to his side but was swimming normal otherwise.

What is in the tank with him decoration wise? He has silk plants, Eiffel tower decor and a hammock made of mesh.
Anything else you can tell us will help.

 

[Chester41585]

Definitely necrotic. I'd start researching salt treatments to try to help keep it from advancing.

 

[NightStars]

Definitely necrotic. I'd start researching salt treatments to try to help keep it from advancing.

Ok thanks, and is it contagious?

 

[Chester41585]

I doubt it, but I'd QT just to be safe. It's like getting an open wound on your hand and not treating it at all, letting it turn gangrenous, then just letting it rot.

Your fish will lose fin rays and might not be able to completely grow the fin back, but he'll cope. If he recovers well, he'll still have use of that fin.

See: Fin Rot

 

[NightStars]

I doubt it, but I'd QT just to be safe. It's like getting an open wound on your hand and not treating it at all, letting it turn gangrenous, then just letting it rot.

Your fish will lose fin rays and might not be able to completely grow the fin back, but he'll cope. If he recovers well, he'll still have use of that fin.

See: Fin Rot

Thank you

Regarding the salt treatments, I researched it and it said "Add 1 tsp/gal Aquarium Salt 3 times, 12 hours apart."

When treating him, do you think I should treat as fin rot and still add the salt or?

P.S. Sorry for all the questions.

 

[Chester41585]

That might over-salt your fish. I usually do 1 teaspoon per gallon with every fresh change of water.
Salt, like calcium, can only be removed from water by removing water. If you keep adding it without diluting or removing it completely, a one-gallon tank can become too salty.

I've used this site as a guideline:
http://bettasplendid.weebly.com/fin-rot-101.html

 

[NightStars]

That might over-salt your fish. I usually do 1 teaspoon per gallon with every fresh change of water.
Salt, like calcium, can only be removed from water by removing water. If you keep adding it without diluting or removing it completely, a one-gallon tank can become too salty.

I've used this site as a guideline:
http://bettasplendid.weebly.com/fin-rot-101.html

Thank you for all your help.

 

[OllieJolly]

http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=90086

I do not mean to worry you but I feel like it's similar to this?

Then again I imagine all necrotizing flesh is the same?

 

[Chester41585]

http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=90086

I do not mean to worry you but I feel like it's similar to this?

Then again I imagine all necrotizing flesh is the same?

I may or may not have posted this replay and had it lost in cyberspace.

Necrotizing flesh generally looks the same in fish, I guess. In mammals, there are some subtle differences between different bacteria and viruses.

I read a good portion of that link you posted and that's some scary stuff. I recalled (after some Google wizardry) the paper I had read that had been published concerning betta colors, health, immunities, and carotinoids.

Link here:
http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/6/1139.full

Related graphs:
http://sandman.net/files/Betta.pdf

 

[jarabas]

I am thinking we might be dealing with a bacteria infection called aeromonas that can cause hemorrhagic septicemia --a blood stream infection. I don't like the way the base of his fin looks--that's characteristic of septicemia.

If this was my fish I would treat like this:
1. Soak his food in neomycin to get some antibiotics inside him.
2. Treat his tank with triple sulfa.
3. Give him a a daily 30 minute bath in a solution of tank water and potassium permanganate (Jungle Clear Water.) Use a double dose of pp in the bath--I use well rinsed quart milk jugs with the top cut down. Don't add the pp to his tank and toss the bath out after his soak.

If he doesn't respond to this in a couple days, I would try a water change and dosing his tank with kanaplex and furan 2. Septicemia can kill if not treated, so I would take steps a little stronger than salt--just my experience speaking.

 

[AukWord]

Ok thanks, and is it contagious?

Contagion depends on what is causing this.

I would absolutely treat it as if it were highly contagious.

Never gonna regret doing that, like you might if you assume it's not.

 

[Chester41585]

:thumbsup:

Jarabas

:thumbsup:

 

[NightStars]

I am thinking we might be dealing with a bacteria infection called aeromonas that can cause hemorrhagic septicemia --a blood stream infection. I don't like the way the base of his fin looks--that's characteristic of septicemia.

If this was my fish I would treat like this:
1. Soak his food in neomycin to get some antibiotics inside him.
2. Treat his tank with triple sulfa.
3. Give him a a daily 30 minute bath in a solution of tank water and potassium permanganate (Jungle Clear Water.) Use a double dose of pp in the bath--I use well rinsed quart milk jugs with the top cut down. Don't add the pp to his tank and toss the bath out after his soak.

If he doesn't respond to this in a couple days, I would try a water change and dosing his tank with kanaplex and furan 2. Septicemia can kill if not treated, so I would take steps a little stronger than salt--just my experience speaking.

Thank you.
I have a question. If I already added aquarium salt, do I do a water change before adding medication?

 

[NightStars]

Thank you everyone.