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wal-mart has abused and killed too many bettas to count, and has repeatedly ignored those of us who speak out against the slaughter. they do not care about our words, they care only about money. this year, we will change that. on Black Friday, we need to get everyone we know who is sympathetic to the cause to show up, carry signs, pass out literature, and let the customers whose money the company values so much know just what their money is doing. tell your friends, spread the word on facebook, do whatever it takes to bring in a crowd at your city or town's wal-mart, because if we can make even a small dent in their profits on their most valuable day of retail sales for the entire year, THEN they may have to listen.

some basic guidelines from a veteran protestor:

1) KEEP YOUR DISTANCE. every location has different laws regarding assembly and "loitering", look yours up and make sure you're legally safe. this action will do no good if our people are arrested before the first customer shows up.

2) BE PREPARED. it will be the end of November, and most places will be fairly chilly. dress warmly, carry a thermos of hot soup, and leave young children with a trusted sitter or guardian. we all want to help, but frostbite and hypothermia are no laughing matter.

3) BE DIRECT. if you carry a sign or sing a chant, keep it simple and easy to remember. a few big, bold words will do a lot more good than a dictionary page on a picket pole.

4) BE RESPECTFUL. to anyone, and everyone. no matter who they are, keep a positive demeanor. even the Big Blue's employees are not necessarily the "enemy." i know from personal experience that many of them are just as disgusted by the company, but are forced to work there to support their families. a strong message and a smile will get you a lot further than a strong message alone.

5) CARRY LITERATURE. whether it's pamphlets about proper betta care, hand-made flyers giving more detailed descriptions of wal-mart's abuse, or simply a card with a URL to get more information, it's all helpful. getting people angry is just the first step, the next step is to get them informed.

beyond this, just use common sense. we're trying to end an injustice, not wind up in a jail cell. i know some of you are willing to go that far to help even one betta, but your fellow betta lovers might not be, and police are very quick to assign "guilt by association" at protest actions. we want to come out, spread the word, and make a few people think. let's show wal-mart that we mean business, and when we mean business, they LOSE business!
 

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Um I shall post this on My FB if anything but I myself won;t do this I don;t have the guts.
 

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Um I shall post this on My FB if anything but I myself won;t do this I don;t have the guts.
that's okay, i used to be skittish about protesting myself. getting the word out is still greatly appreciated.
 

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Protesting in front of Walmart seems pathetic imo. As much as I hate their fish care, to other shoppers we'll look like a bunch of crazy PETA people. I will contribute however by possibly dropping care sheets at the betta section. :p
 

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Yeah I agree me in just spreading the wrd f=of not buy fish there period nothing else with people i know that's it.
 

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Yeah I think I will write up a care sheet tonight with basic info and some links including BettaTalk and this site. Thoughts?
 

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I like this protest but don't get me wrong but representing this website or other sites for this protest is not a great idea cause it will lead the administrator for this site and other sites of getting sued

Remember freedom of speech is only for the spoken word, electronic media is not covered!

Google the Petswharehouse case and read it.
 

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I like this protest but don't get me wrong but representing this website or other sites for this protest is not a great idea cause it will lead the administrator for this site and other sites of getting sued

Remember freedom of speech is only for the spoken word, electronic media is not covered!

Google the Petswharehouse case and read it.
It's actually against bettafish.com's rules. The mods will be here soon to back me up on this.

On Black Friday all people care about is the almighty deal. They won't give a flying crap about bettas. I think this is a bad idea and possibly dangerous. People are CRAZY on Black Friday!
 

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It's actually against bettafish.com's rules. The mods will be here soon to back me up on this.

On Black Friday all people care about is the almighty deal. They won't give a flying crap about bettas. I think this is a bad idea and possibly dangerous. People are CRAZY on Black Friday!
Registereduser, you are correct. It is against the forum rules to post our web address on caresheets, notes or whatever because it can cause legal problems for us.
 

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Please don't get our forum into trouble, that's the last thing we all need now. It's fine discussing this here, however just keep bettafish.com and tropicalfishkeeping.com's names out of this matter. If a store thinks this website is the cause of any illegal actions during a protest we could get in trouble. We had a notice posted about this a few weeks back.
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Those of you who want to protest on behalf of cruelty to bettas, I know you mean well but what good is it going to do to protest when in all honesty, most people don't really give a care?
 

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I agree that the idea is good but the day choosen for it is very bad. I've been Black Friday shopping and the people in the stores when the doors open at 5 AM are not thinking about fish. -_-

It would be better to protest, legally and respectfully, on a day when people are more receptive to your signs and chants.
 

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yeah true true me not doing it but I hope to inform people that I know not to buy Bettas or any fish from Walmart again
 

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Also, the users on here are kinda spread out... I don't know about you, but I'd rather not be the only one protesting... I do like the caresheets though. I think everyone who wants to participate should put caresheets with maybe a link to http://www.thepetitionsite.com/343/1...tta-fish/#sign , a petition started by jenjen182. (do you think that's ok?) Pretty much anything that would attract attention to the plight of bettas & other fish due to that store. Actually, it might be good to include petsmart & petco & any bad lfs in the caresheet-dropoff too.


Agree with SnowySurface, we should choose a different day... maybe the day after Christmas? Everyone is always coming to return items, so we'll have a large audience. Imagine if people from around the world did this on a mass scale on the same day! People would be bound to listen!
 

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Yeah true. But still you would need more than one people to help you do this. I might go for it later on though once I start school i'll give and outs to students and things like that. :) is something and add don;t buy from Walmart!
 

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You wouldn't really need anyone else- If each of us printed up 25 sheets of paper with 4 handouts apeice, then put stacks of them all over Walmart, Petco, & Petsmart (if you have problems with them in your location. I know some of them are pretty good, and others don't even carry fish) We would cover a wide area. If more than one member lived in the area, then that just means twice or three times as many handouts.

We could spread this on other forums too... & make a facebook page... This is a great idea, Terror. Why haven't we banded together sooner?

Oh. I just thought of something. We need to have the same basic info on our caresheets though. I mean, what if one said minimum 1 gallon, & another said minimum 2.5 gallons, & another said 5 gallons? We need to come up with the basics. Put up a united front, you know. :) What do you guys think?
 

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I do not think this is smart to do nor would it be effective.

Here is a list of things that I can imagine going wrong:

1. Black Friday can be dangerous if not deadly. It is a day when the rich and poor alike are willing to flood into stores and fight each other in order to save as much money as possible on holiday gifts. Stores hype the day up with deals, which lead to many camping outside the store. These people will be grumpy, maybe even hostile, if something disrupts their plans. Blocking people on Black Friday from entering Walmart, one of the largest retailers, is thus dangerous for the shoppers and the protesters.

2. It won't be effective. As stated above, people are concerned only of sales. They do not want to be hundered or bothered. Most people go into Walmart knowing what sales to hunt for and how to get there the quickest. A protest outside the store, on a day when most people will not think of others let alone animals, will merely be protesting to deaf ears. In addition, this would not happen at just one Walmart. It may just be a few users and supporters at a handful of Walmarts, not being heard and wasting their time and safety.

3. It can be potentially illegal. Hindering shoppers on Black Friday or taking up unnecessary space in front of the store during such high congestion may be illegal if not against fire codes. Safety is nothing to risk and on a holiday where people have literally trampled others to death and then blamed Walmart for not doing enough and causing the hype, it would more than likely be addressed by security and make security's life harder on a day already so stressful.

Educating people is the best way to go to initiate change. Write corporate headquarters. Create a petition on change.org. Talk to local stores' managers for change. There are many more safer, effective, ways to alter the way Walmart deals with its live animals. I do not believe a store such as Walmart should sell living creatures but I do believe in doing positive, effective, action rather than drawing negative attention to a concern.
 
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