[Fishcakes]

I think he's dying. Hes turning white, his top fin is shredding and hes a bit lethargic. PLEASE help. I have 10 gal tank, changed the water 2 days ago, ph is normal,I dont think there's any ammonia. Its not fin rot for sure T.T

 

[ao]

ok.... dont panic

first of all....

can you fill this out?

http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=49233

it will help a lot more with the diagnosis

Its 3.30am here and I'm jus about asleep, but I'll try to help the est I can if you can fill it out quickly

and even if I do fall asleep (looking like an idiot still clutchin the iphone, lol) filling out the form will allow other to diagnose it better too

 

[Fishcakes]

What size is your tank? 10gal
What temperature is your tank? 79°
Does your tank have a filter?yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? Yes
Is your tank heated? Yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? ADF

Food What type of food do you feed your betta fish?flakes,but today I fed him bloodworms
How often do you feed your betta fish? Twice a day.

Maintenance How often do you perform a water change? Once every 6 days
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?30%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Aquarium salt

Water Parameters: Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia: Nitrite: Nitrate: pH:Normal.about 7.0 Hardness: Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment How has your betta fish's appearance changed?hes turning white,his top fin is shredding quickly.
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? A bit lethargic
When did you start noticing the symptoms? An hour ago
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?I added aquarium salt and I'm raising the water temp
Does your fish have any history of being ill?No
How old is your fish (approximately)?2 years old,give or take a few months.

 

[ao]

I suggest to get a clean container (untouched by chemicals) that you can float in the tank.prepare some new dechlorinated 79F water in the container and acclimate the betta and place him in there... this will make water changes and breathing easier for him.
i'm not a big fan of frogs and hence know nothing about ADFs... but I hope that they can tolerate salt.

do you have access to indian almod leaves? if not how about clean oak leaves (naturally fallen). and if not that rooibos tea? or you can get steep some decaf green tea and add a bit to the water. (the ial, oak leaf and rooibos you can add directly to his water).

did you just raise the temperature of your tank or has it always been 79F?

is the frog acting normal? could any chemicals have gotten in the tank?

 

[Fishcakes]

I dont have any containers like that T.T and the frog is hiding in this little house decoration. No the temps been like that all month and ive just raised it a bit more. I've never heard of steeping tea in tanks before, so I'm naturally apprehensive. Also its very late here too and I have to go. TT.TT thank you for responding.

 

[ao]

lol. teas have tannins which helps fight bacteria and fungi.
you need decaf green tea as caffeine is in no way good for fish.

many hobbyists use indian almond leaves which is a good source of tannic and humic acids for their aquariums. I was merely suggesting alternatives incase you dont have indian almond leaves on hand.

most importantly, right now you need good clean water. without a container, I can only suggest a 100% water change. my only guess is that something is out of whack with your water.

I'm going to sleep too. sorry if you didnt find any of this useful to you. need to get up in 3 hours. lol

goodluck to the fishie

 

[Tikibirds]

dried oak leaves are supposed to do the same thing as decaf green tea and IAL.

can you get a clear picture of the fish?

 

[ao]

dried oak leaves are supposed to do the same thing as decaf green tea and IAL.

can you get a clear picture of the fish?

I think OP's gone to bed. Shouldn't you be in bed too? it's 4am :/



Anyway, I read some of OP's other threads. it seems that OP got an ADF just two days ago.

this frog, unquaratined could have brought in disease and/or raised the bioload. the BB in the tank is probably only used to handling the betta's bioload and has not yet expanded to accomodate the extra. Therefore a possible ammonia spike. eitherway, a water change is imminent...

 

[Tikibirds]

I think OP's gone to bed. Shouldn't you be in bed too? it's 4am :/

But your not sleeping either....
I work late so I'm usually awake till the sun rises, plus i don't go back to work till monday :-D Maybe I should try and sleep. I know my sister wants to go shopping later on and I KNOW she is gonna start screaming at me till i get my rump out of bed.

Anyway, I read some of OP's other threads. it seems that OP got an ADF just two days ago.

oooh...do frogs have a big bioload?

*slowly backs out of thread*

 

[asukabetta]

Frogs do not have much of a bioload, it's their food that makes the mess more than anything. Also I think it better to quarintine the fish, I do not think frogs can tolerate salt so thus why I think it' s abetter idea.

Make sure your frog is healthy as well, betta could cause him illness, or viceversa.

Perhaps if the water gets dirtier you may need more partial water changes.

You might want to quarantine your frog too, just in case.

 

[ao]

her frog is.... hiding?

 

[Fishcakes]

her frog is.... hiding?

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Dx my fish is dying by the minute!

 

[Alcemistnv]

Fishcakes, do you think you can look at the Disease threads in this sections and see if your fish is looking like any of those pictures?

Also, it might be best to remove your frog now and do a complete 100% change in my opinion. The frog might have brought something into the tank and it's affecting the fish.

 

[LadyVictorian]

I agree, find some tupperware, fill it with water and add water conditioner to it. Get some AQ salt and put your betta in there then start daily water changes on it. The frog might have brought in some disease. Also like they said the bioload could have shocked your tanks system, it happened after I got my frog that my ammonia was spiking more until the tank caught up with the extra bioload from the frog.

 

[ao]

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Dx my fish is dying by the minute!

lol, well maybe your frog is affected too? Did you do that water change yet or are you just going to sit and watch until we get the disease down to its scientific name? I gave you a solution- to do a 100% water change-, it is your choice whether you want to act on it.....
no one can diagnose your fish right now with the limited information we have....if you want to give him a chance at life, I suggest you do the water change and give the tank a thorough cleaning if you dont have any other clean tanks for him.

and yes, like alcemistnv suggested, best for you to return the frog. you got him three days ago, your fish is dying today, it is likely no coincidence.

 

[Fishcakes]

Ive done a 100% water change and removed the frog. I'm not crazy...I put in AQ salt and he's a bit far gone. I can see through his tail. When I looked at the thread of illnesses it seemed as if he had velvet.

 

[LadyVictorian]

+1 to aokashi

New animals introduced to aquariums need a 2 week qt to make sure they are not bringing in disease. That's how you kill off any animal you own is by throwing a new pet into the equation without waiting to see if it's healthy or not.

 

[Alcemistnv]

ahh if it was velvet, I don't know if it came from the frog or can be trasmitted to the frog.

 

[ao]

velvet is apparent when you shine a flashlight on your fish and appears to be a coppery/gold dusting on the fish. it is also one of the most commonly misdiagnosed diseases. was your fish flashing(rubbing against things)? Is he breathing heavily (signs of infection in the gills)?

The problem is, if the frog brought in disease, you really need to find your fish a new quaratine tank and thoroughly clean the current tank.

@ alcemistvnv - I've had velvet transmitted by plants before. But the problem is, I do not believe it normally multiplies to the point of being lethal within 2-3 days.

 

[Fishcakes]

+1 to aokashi

New animals introduced to aquariums need a 2 week qt to make sure they are not bringing in disease. That's how you kill off any animal you own is by throwing a new pet into the equation without waiting to see if it's healthy or not.

To you and mostly aokashi : you can go fly a kite. I'm outta here.