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I just walked into my room and something is wrong with Sykes. He is laying on his side completely and gasping for breath. His gills are so swollen and his tummy is bloated.
I did an immediate water change and put him In a small container since he can't swim. He is trying to swim but is panicking. I put a plant to help him keep balance on something.

No history of Illness. I feed him 5 pebbles every night. 80 degree water. Added aq salt, aquari-sal, betts safe, and betts fix to water like I do with all my fish.

Hr wasn't like this earlier. Help!!!
 

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What size is your tank? In small container since he can't swim well at the moment.
What temperature is your tank? 80
Does your tank have a filter? No
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? No
Is your tank heated? Yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? No

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Kiriki? Pebbles
How often do you feed your betta fish? 5 per night

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? Weekly
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 100
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Aq salt, aquari-sal, betta fix and betta safe

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
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Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? Bloated tummy, enlarged gills.
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? Gasping for breath. Frantic swimming. Laying on side.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? 20 mins ago
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? Water change.
Does your fish have any history of being ill? No
How old is your fish (approximately)? Little over a year
 

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If he is bloated, he may be having issues swimming because of swim bladder disease. If that is the case, which it may not be, then AQ salt is going to make it worse. Epsom salt and fasting is the cure.

aquari-sal, betts safe, and betts fix
I know what bettafix is, but what are the other 2 for? and did you OD on the bettafix? I know alot of people say it works wonders but there are alot of others that say it damages their breathing organ.

how much AQ salt do you use? I Have also been told contradicting info on that as well. Some say always keep some in the tank to ward of disease, others say do not use it for more then 10 days as it destroys their liver/kidneys...
 

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Added aq salt, aquari-sal, betts safe, and betts fix to water like I do with all my fish.
im confused
do you add these in all their waters? or did you add this just now to treat him?

I'm confused because the "added" part makes me think you just added it. And the "like i do with all my fish" makes me think you add this to all their waters.
 

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how much AQ salt do you use? I Have also been told contradicting info on that as well. Some say always keep some in the tank to ward of disease, others say do not use it for more then 10 days as it destroys their liver/kidneys...
I have heard this as well
I have also heard that Epsom salt and daily 100% water changes is better to use than AQ salt.
 

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My though was they use it all the time...

I have heard this as well
I have also heard that Epsom salt and daily 100% water changes is better to use than AQ salt.
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Depends on what you are trying to treat. Internal probles like Swim bladder and dropsy you want epsom. External problems like fin rot, you want AQ salt. Epsom can be used for the fish's whole life if need be, but supposedly AQ salt should not be used for more then 2 weeks max.
 

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My though was they use it all the time...
I've been told by a few people to use AQ salt to keep away fungal diseases. And I ALMOST did with Spike. Had I not posted a thread about using it before I opened the container, I would have used it.
 

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Aqari-sal: a mild protozoan and ice preventative for sensitive species. Effectively treats : ick, parasites, velvet, sluggishness, gasping for air, flicking against rocks.
Betta safe: water conditioner.
BettFix: 2 drops per gallon.
Aq salt: 1tbsp per gallon.

I use this on all my fish. I had a bad outbreak of dieses this last year and a was told to keep them on this.
 

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I used to keep AQ salt in my tanks as well but then people were like NOOOOOO!
So I stopped using it. Personally I would like so see some research on this, but have yet to find any. I think alot of what is "good" is just someone's opinion and then everyone read it online and then it gets repeated. But just incase, it stopped using salt unless I need to.
 

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Aqari-sal: a mild protozoan and ice preventative for sensitive species. Effectively treats : ick, parasites, velvet, sluggishness, gasping for air, flicking against rocks.
Betta safe: water conditioner.
BettFix: 2 drops per gallon.
Aq salt: 1tbsp per gallon.

I use this on all my fish. I had a bad outbreak of dieses this last year and a was told to keep them on this.
Sad to say...I think you overdosed this little guy.
You don't need to keep him on all that all the time.
Betta fix, aqari-sal, and AQ salt is only for treating. If you added that to his new water in his cup, remove him/do a compelte water change with ONLY the conditioner. If you wish, get some espom salt, dissolve it fully before adding fishy, do that every day.
refresh his water everyday (100% change) and add in new espom salt and conditioner.
 

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How can I over dose him if I only add a drop or two to a whole gallon?
 

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Aqari-sal: a mild protozoan and ice preventative for sensitive species. Effectively treats : ick, parasites, velvet, sluggishness, gasping for air, flicking against rocks.
Betta safe: water conditioner.
BettFix: 2 drops per gallon.
Aq salt: 1tbsp per gallon.
I never heard of Aquri-sal before.

Keep in mind, I am not an expert but I would stop the AQ salt because if he does have SBD, AQ salt will not help. Fast him for a day or so and keep a look out for poops. If he is still bloated, put him in epsom salt. 1 Teaspoon per gallon. Plain, unscented epsom salt..not the ones with funky colors or scents

I use a gallon milk jug, fill it with conditioned water and then add the epsom. Shake it up and wait for it to disolve and then add it to his tank. Slowly acclimate him to the new water.

You don't really need to be using bettafix or the other medicine, unless there is something wrong with him.

Im not sure what would be causing the gasping for air...
 

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How can I over dose him if I only add a drop or two to a whole gallon?
because he does not need the medications all the time. Thats like you taking NyQuil every night when you don't have a cold. Taking medication when you don't need them can do damage to your liver, imagine what it would do to your betta.
Not to mention I believe BettaFix has 2 different types of ingredients that can do more harm than good. I don't remember what their called.
 

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I never heard of Aquri-sal before.

Keep in mind, I am not an expert but I would stop the AQ salt because if he does have SBD, AQ salt will not help. Fast him for a day or so and keep a look out for poops. If he is still bloated, put him in epsom salt. 1 Teaspoon per gallon. Plain, unscented epsom salt..not the ones with funky colors or scents

I use a gallon milk jug, fill it with conditioned water and then add the epsom. Shake it up and wait for it to disolve and then add it to his tank. Slowly acclimate him to the new water.

You don't really need to be using bettafix or the other medicine, unless there is something wrong with him.

Im not sure what would be causing the gasping for air...
great instructions :)
 

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bettafix has a tea tree oil in it that harms the labrinth organ and many people claim it killed their betta. The recommended dose is something like 8 drops per gallon. I don't think 2 by itself would do much harm but I do think it is better to only medicate when the fish is sick otherwise they may get immune to it and when you really need the medicine, it wont be effective. I think that is part of the reason people say not to always use AQ salt...
 

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Okay, I switched him to freash water with half tbsp of Epsom salt and bettasafe.
 

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bettafix has a tea tree oil in it that harms the labrinth organ and many people claim it killed their betta. The recommended dose is something like 8 drops per gallon. I don't think 2 by itself would do much harm.
I don't use betta fix and being tired I didn't bother to do a google on instructions. But being that I've known several people have had more issues than help with this product I myself would never use it.
 

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Okay, I switched him to freash water with half tbsp of Epsom salt and bettasafe.
OK. Keep us updated if there is any change.

Is he still gasping for air?

I don't use betta fix and being tired I didn't bother to do a google on instructions. But being that I've known several people have had more issues than help with this product I myself would never use it.
I have it and used it but only because I had a columnaris outbreak and none of the stores sold any real fish meds. Plus I lived in alaska, so its not like I could just drive to the next town over. I didnt use the full dose though.
 

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carzz, is there any possibility something spilled into the tank while you were out of the room? How has his behavior been prior to him laying on the bottom? Has he been eating normally and swimming normally?

At any rate, I do agree with the others that it's best not to use medicines unless absolutely necessary. If you keep the water clean and use a good water conditioner, none of the other things should be necessary. The only thing you can safely add to the water on a long-term basis are tannins.
 

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I will. He had stopped before I switched water. But after the switch it started back up. Now he is calming down again.
 
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