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So while i was at petsmart today i happened to notice a very beautiful crowntail betta, that happened to have popeye. i showed it to the manager and she let me have him for free. i bought some maracyn to treat it with, but the dosage is one packet for 10 gallons of water..... i do plan to divide one of my current ten gallon tanks to put him in once he gets better. but i dont know how to dose out this medication and treat him in the hospital tank he's in. right now he is in a heated 1 gallon bowl with water that has been conditioned and has aquarium salt added. i dont really know how to proceed from here :/ how much do i give him? how do i measure it out? and can i leave the heater in the tank when i add the maracyn? help!
 

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can i just take like.. a pellet sized pinch and put it in there? i dont have anything that will measure weight in milligrams.... but i dont want to overdose him either
 

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okay i got an idea... can i pour the entire packet into one gallon of water... take 1/10ths of that gallon (being 1 3/5 cups)... and add a fresh gallon of water to that.... and get the same concentration?
 

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So while i was at petsmart today i happened to notice a very beautiful crowntail betta, that happened to have popeye. i showed it to the manager and she let me have him for free. i bought some maracyn to treat it with, but the dosage is one packet for 10 gallons of water..... i do plan to divide one of my current ten gallon tanks to put him in once he gets better. but i dont know how to dose out this medication and treat him in the hospital tank he's in. right now he is in a heated 1 gallon bowl with water that has been conditioned and has aquarium salt added. i dont really know how to proceed from here :/ how much do i give him? how do i measure it out? and can i leave the heater in the tank when i add the maracyn? help!
My beta also has popeye and I bought Maracyn II for him. If Maracyn is administered in doses like Maracyn II, I would just use proportions to get the right amount. So, say for instance it is asking you to 2 packets per 10 g of water on the first day and 1 packet each day after that. You say you are using a 1 g bowl? I have a 2.5 g tank with only that one beta in it, so I also had to do the math. It's not accurate since there aren't really measurement units, but try this:

2 packets/10 g water=x packets/1 g water
2 packets/10 g water=0.20 packets/1 g water

every day after that is 0.1 packets. Now this is hard to really know how much that is. I sort of divided the packet into parts, first half, then quarters. Draw some lines on the packets and that could help visually with the measurements. If the Maracyn does't work, like the Maracyn II it didn't for me, try epsom salt. I just added it to my tank, so I don't have results yet. hoping it works!

lol I hope what I said even helps.
 

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i ended up using this dosage...

Originally Posted by Sakura8
Get a 1 gallon jug and fill with 5 cups of dechlorinated water. Add the dosage of one med and mix well. Now pour 1/2 cup of medicated water per gallon into the hospital tank. Since your tank is 1 gallon, pour in 1/2 cup of medicated water. Get a second jug and repeat with the second medication.

he dosent look too good though. i hope i can save him, hes a very beautiful fish. just wondering the meds wont mess up the heater or anything right?
 

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OK. Oh, poor baby. :( I hope he does get better. IDK the medicine should mess up the heater or anything. Maracyn II didn't do anything to mine, although it's so warm in my house I don't have the heater turned on.
 

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Hiya Austin, my favorite town from the old days.
This may come in handy next time or even now:
I did a search on Maracyn-2 last night because I have some coming in.
Manufacturer said use the full amount, so I guess after opened it doesn't have a shelf life.
Best use I came up with was this:
1 pkg/10 gallon
Put 10 tbsp treated water into a container.
Add 1 medication package to it and dissolve it real good.
Then add 1 tbsp of this mixture for each gallon of water being treated.
Day 1 says use a double dose use 2 tbsp for each gallon of water being treated.
Throw away the unused medication mixed up.
It still saves on the number of packages you would use the first day.
Do 100% water changes daily no matter what the box says with the new mixes at only 1 tbsp of this mixture for each gallon of water being treated for the number of days needed.

Note Aq. Salt will irritate it and make it worse, you have to get the swelling down before you use it.
I have been using the Epsom salt method and got this just in case the ES didn't work. Finally at day 7 of that his left eye that was worse than his right eye is about the same size as the right eye is and he is moving it around thus looking with it. Before that it stayed kind of fixed. Epsom salt talks excess fluid out of the body thus the reason it brings the swelling down, but it has to be changed out 100% daily also or it becomes a problem.

Popeye has many causes so here is my shorthand notes on it:
It is a symptom, not a disease in itself and has many possible causes
Can be difficult to cure if source unknown.
Origin can range from bacterial, viral, parasitic or
dirty water=meaning high nitrate/ites, ammonia, etc.
Can be symptom dropsy & also associated with Ich or injury
1 eye usually trama based such as run into plant or something bump him
(if panic at clean time could have smacked eye into something)
Both eyes tends to be more infection based via bacteria in water
One or both eyes appear be protruding abnormally, "popping" or stick out=bacterial infection.

Eye rupture clean water EVERY DAY would be best mainly because of infection--I would do a search and post asap if that happened to decide if Epsom should be changed over to Aq. Salt and exactly how to do that accilmating the fish to the change safely.

Treatment:
http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=73333
 

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BlueStar, how long should it take before ES shows any results? And I'm going to need to change 100% tomorrow then and not 25-50%. O__O Is 7 days the norm? I also have this problem with my betta currently and nothing much has changed and this is day 2.
 

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I don't know it's my first time treating popeye on top of he also had SBD & maybe had/has dropsy (no bloat now but gray on his belly).
Yes with ES you need 100% changes daily. Think I read it's harmful if you don't do 100%, but don't hold me to it.
From what I've read you don't treat with ES past 10-14 days before you do gradual water changes to get the ES out without adding anymore in. If my notes are right it says: every 15 minute for 1st hour change 50% of the water to get them acclimated to ES or tannins and I suspect the same goes when removing them though tannins are good for them all the time and help prevent problems if the leaves are not boiled. Then the next day every day you do 100% water changes while they are having problems.
Think one poster said longer than 10-14 days of salts start to harm their kidneys and even after you remove the salt it takes 7 days for it to work out of their systems.

The top sticky has the treatment info for popeye in Part 2.
Another post I think said you should see results in 7 days which is how long it has taken for mines eyes to be about normal size again. One eye went down pretty much by the 4th day but his worse one it has taken 7 days for it to get the same size as his other one. Compared to my oldest betta's eyes this ones eyes are either back to normal or near normal now. So ES in my case did take a lot longer than I thought it would to get the swelling down.

Most of my info I've gathered from searches and it seems no one can help me with my own post. I'm terrible at doing searches also since I get tons of non-related posts to cut through.
 

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I know the sticky post you posted said it was ok to use medicine and ES at the same time. I wonder should I use the Maracyn II again (second time) and the ES or what? I'm scared and don't want him to lose an eye.
 

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Just got on, this is the first place I come.
From all the reading I have done it was said you can use ES with medication (Page 1 of their sticky Disease & treatment), and I'm lead to believe you change the water daily still due to using ES which needs refreshed daily. After 10-14 days of ES you need to take them off of it for 7 days to let it get out of their system (organs absorb the salts). If it was going to work it would have by then. Too much of salts they say can harm the kidneys, but so does the medications if used extended periods of time.
As for the Maracyn II it may not have worked good the first time depending on if you didn't use a fresh package daily. And it will only work if the popeye was cause a gram-negative bacterial infection.
For popeye you need to treat for the cause of it.
If it was caused by dirty water (Hi Nitrites/rates, ammonia) or an injury daily water changes of fresh water with ES to bring down the swelling should work along with water changes more often when it gets better and maybe a followup treatment of Aq. Salt if the eye is cloudy, etc.
If it was cause by bacteria the Maracyn II used right along with ES (swelling) should work.
If it was parasitic you would need to treat for that and feed something contain Metronidazole like Jungle’s Anti-Parasite pellets.
If it was cause by dropsy you would need to treat for that.

No matter what the cause stress also plays a factor to healing so keep them covered in the dark when your not feeding or water changing. They fear being eaten naturally, but is far worse when they can't see good.

I am not sure of what you have done when, but think right now your using ES with daily water changes. If it has been 7 days since you have last used the Maracyn II or as soon as you get to that number of days I would try it again using fresh packages daily. When you get to day 10 of the ES you need to start taking them off the ES or wait to day 14 and then do it slowly that day. I'd get some food containg Metronidazole like Jungle’s Anti-Parasite pellets since soaking your own with the medication is a mess (I'm trying that, but will be ordering some pellets with it next time I order something). Also if you can use some tannins they would help now and as a prevention to a lot of problems later as long as you don't boil the leaves/etc. which kills the good organisms needed from tannins.

If none of that cured it then fill out the form at the top of the forum and maybe someone who really knows will help you out. From there I would suspect a gram-positive bacteria causing it if they can or it being viral which I'm not sure what if any of the above would affect it. Might be a good ideal to go ahead and fill out that form right now because some who ask for help never get it (didn't fill in the form) or told to read their treatment sticky which doesn't cover how to safely take them on/off salts.

As for me I'm no expert by any means and have just compiled what information I can on things from this forum and other sites. Everyone has different opinions it seems, but I agree you should use more natural ways (ES and tannins) before going to hard core medications, because just like in humans the bugs have become resistant due to over or under use of medication.

The swelling in one of mines eye got really big like I said and it wasn't until day 7 of ES that it went down to the size of his other eye. I'm using MB also though which might have made a difference since it kills some parasites, improves organ functions and decreases stress. Tannins do the same and are probably better off for them, but the MB will also stain any wounds and parasites to make them easily seen which due to my eyesight I needed. I'll be changing over to tannins in the next few days.

As for losing an eye, yes that would be terrible and I would post a 911 asking for help since I'm not sure if you should use ES or Aq. Salt or just water changes even more often than daily and if there is anything that could relieve any pain if they had it. Don't buy OTC stuff though because even stuff labeled for betta's are not good always for them. Infection would be the biggest problem. Life without an eye though would not be much different than as for any of us. Loss of both eyes they would need to be cupped in low water and from the vibration of food hitting the water should still be able to find it, I'm guessing. I have a dog that had 1 eye removed and has lost the vision in her other eye. Read between the lines if there are any typo's.
 
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