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Emptied my 90 liter hospital tank today as I reckon that it will never get any patients soon. Went around the house and found some decent spare equipments.took me a hour to covert it to fresh water and got a male betta from the fish store.
-finally found a use for that expensive juwel t5 i brought last year:p


...the fish buying part was on impulse, i brought it even though i knew my tank isn't cycled ><.so i am keeping the betta in a plastic cup in the tank for now.
.......creeping to fishpond to collect some nitrobacterials.

yeah, back to fresh water:-D
going bare bottom this time round.

Any ideas on how I should progress on this?

 

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What sort of direction do you want to head in with this?

I would say, definitely get more cover. One little betta will be totally overwhelmed with all the open space and it could stress him out. Get a stack of plants, more flower-pots, heaps of different things to fill that space up. :)

I would also release him from the tank and do a fish-in cycle. It will be better for him than being in that cup (daily changes, lack of space, stress etc).

What are your water parameters (pH, hardness etc)? What sort of fish are you hoping to stock the tank with? :)
 

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What sort of direction do you want to head in with this?

here are the parameter i measured

dhk; 4
ph:7.4 -added some ph down now.

NH3- 0 and hopefully will remain that.

NO2-0
NO3- 0

Total Dissolved Solid:429 - doesn't mean much

DIYed some bog wood by boiling logs i found at the beach last year.

In terms of theme i would like a aquarium that is similar to the natural enviroment of the betta, with some small schools of tetras, a pleco and some snails. choice of fish here in NZ is very limited -.-
My dream is of a "biosphere" like aquarium, pretty hard to do though.


which mean that i am not going to go bottomless, may be i'll give that a try next time ><
 

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It seems like you know this based on how you moved that rock, but make sure your betta can't get stuck in the terracotta pot hole!

Make it a NPT!!! :D
 

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the good thing about living in NZ is that you have easy acess to quality streams.etc to get sand, rocks and wood.

Npt, bring it on :p


planning to connect a sump to it, but none of the LFS here stock any over flow boxes T_T
 

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I would LOVE having access to that. In FL, I guess I technically do. I should go exploring. I know there are some nice creeks near my university.

I love NPTs. They're so beautiful. :) River rock and driftwood with nice mossy plants. :D I want to have a bunch of nano NPTs around my house eventually. 2 gallon bowls and such. Pictures when you're done! :)
 

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Hah, I just noticed that that's the AquaOne 620. I have that. :D Good tanks. I like the filters.

Rather than adding pH adjusters, I would just leave it at it's natural pH and find fish that can work with that - a stable pH is better than a fluctuating one. If you do want to get it lower, try natural things such as driftwood and peat moss (though the moss would bring it right right down to wild betta sort of levels).

If you do want to do a betta biosphere, or at least an SE Asian biotype, have a look at rasboras and kuhli loaches rather than South American fish like plecos and tetras. :) For plants, look at the java fern varieties, and java moss. :)
 

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Hah, I just noticed that that's the AquaOne 620. I have that. :D Good tanks. I like the filters.

Rather than adding pH adjusters, I would just leave it at it's natural pH and find fish that can work with that - a stable pH is better than a fluctuating one. If you do want to get it lower, try natural things such as driftwood and peat moss (though the moss would bring it right right down to wild betta sort of levels).

If you do want to do a betta biosphere, or at least an SE Asian biotype, have a look at rasboras and kuhli loaches rather than South American fish like plecos and tetras. :) For plants, look at the java fern varieties, and java moss. :)

roger that, java moss it is, to the fish store i go.
hopefully they have it in stock.
................sneaking to the enviro reserve at my primary & college to collect drift wood.
 

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Day 3

added some soil under gravel, which resulted in a dirt storm(as shown in photo) XD so did a 50% water change with DI water.

got queen moss,3 other plants and a half moon gourami.
DIY some decoration as well.

what should I add & do next? what plants should i get?
thinking about adding a female betta and a clown

 

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Oh gosh.

:T I'm pretty sure gouramis can't live with Bettas, if I'm wrong please correct me. But I'm pretty sure they can't, I suggest removing that gourami ASAP.

And uh, male + female Betta, no. Never. And clown fish? Aren't those guys saltwater fish.
 

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Oh gosh.

:T I'm pretty sure gouramis can't live with Bettas, if I'm wrong please correct me. But I'm pretty sure they can't, I suggest removing that gourami ASAP.

And uh, male + female Betta, no. Never. And clown fish? Aren't those guys saltwater fish.
........................ male betta can live with gourami and female betta...........thats what they do in the natural enviroment+ they keep them together in the LFS here
that what i did last time when i kept fresh water tropic, and they all did fine with each other.

"And uh, male + female Betta, no"
really? so how do we breed them then??????????????
clown fish are salt water, while clown loach are fresh water.
by the way I got two osc clown in my 47 G, and they are really cute.


all the fish i have added/ planning to add coexist in the same habitat.
 

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Clown loaches are far too big and too active for a 90 litre. They need at least 200 litres and they are schooling fish. They should be in groups of 6 or more.

Gouramis and bettas are both anabatoids. Sometimes they can co-exist, given a large enough space and dense planting, but most of the time you are going to see fighting. Whilst they may sometimes live in the same bodies of water in the wild, they are never in the confined space of a tank, and would be seperated by dense vegetation.

Just because an LFS does something, it isn't necessarily right. In fact, it is frequently wrong.

As for how female and male bettas breed - in the wild, the female just passes through. In captivity, it is a brief and controlled exercise, and one or both of them almost always ends up with badly shredded fins and sometimes more severe injuries. Ask some of the breeders on this forum. Keeping them together is a massive, massive risk. There is no one here who will recommend it.
 

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Clown loaches are far too big and too active for a 90 litre. They need at least 200 litres and they are schooling fish. They should be in groups of 6 or more.

Gouramis and bettas are both anabatoids. Sometimes they can co-exist, given a large enough space and dense planting, but most of the time you are going to see fighting. Whilst they may sometimes live in the same bodies of water in the wild, they are never in the confined space of a tank, and would be seperated by dense vegetation.

Just because an LFS does something, it isn't necessarily right. In fact, it is frequently wrong.

As for how female and male bettas breed - in the wild, the female just passes through. In captivity, it is a brief and controlled exercise, and one or both of them almost always ends up with badly shredded fins and sometimes more severe injuries. Ask some of the breeders on this forum. Keeping them together is a massive, massive risk. There is no one here who will recommend it.


I confused kuhli loaches with clown loaches (--'), their pattern looked similar.(at least in my mind)

Last time round I kept gourami, betta male & female together with no problem, so i planned to do it again.
The LFS I'm talking about is a sole trader who has kept fish for many years, so i think i can trust him.
You make it seem like a bloddy battle field between them now ><
I'll keep the female in another tank when i get it then, still want to try and breed them.
I'll keep my eyes on the two then.. (O.O)
 

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You'll find that a lot of fishkeepers have a kind of snobbery, whereby they only keep certain kinds of fish and end up not knowing a lot about others (namely bettas). Not saying your guy is one of them, but it has happened a lot to me.

I'm not saying it can't work but you need heavy planting and docile bettas. Betta personalities vary a lot and some will simply not tolerate sharing with a gourami.
 

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You'll find that a lot of fishkeepers have a kind of snobbery, whereby they only keep certain kinds of fish and end up not knowing a lot about others (namely bettas). Not saying your guy is one of them, but it has happened a lot to me.

I'm not saying it can't work but you need heavy planting and docile bettas. Betta personalities vary a lot and some will simply not tolerate sharing with a gourami.
THe LFS guy been selling gouramis and betta for a long time though.
heavy planting it is then...................

so what fish would you recommend me to keep with the betta? By the looks of it, the only fish avaliable thats suitable for betta are tetras and small bottom feeders -.-
 

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Not necessarily. Do you want to go with just Asian species, or branch out into South American as well? You can have kuhli loaches, rasboras, peaceful barbs such as cherry, one of the smaller pleco species, a bunch of inverts...
 

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Not necessarily. Do you want to go with just Asian species, or branch out into South American as well? You can have kuhli loaches, rasboras, peaceful barbs such as cherry, one of the smaller pleco species, a bunch of inverts...
Not much of these are avaliable here in NEW Zealand.
the only invert legaly avaliable are apple snail, the only pleco are the large variety and even the one allowed(rasbora s& kuhli) are often out of stock due to small market and strict regulations T_T. pretty much have to wait months before stock are avaliable.

Even worse for marine fish stocking, not much choice avaliable

the betta i brought was the last one left.....................
and i realy want to go with asian species
 

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Aren't you allowed shrimp? Australia has pretty strict quarantine laws too, but we get various shrimp species. :)

Any way you could import from Aquabid? Do you have an NZ transhipper? In Australia we have Jodi Lea but I don't know if she does NZ.
 

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Aren't you allowed shrimp? Australia has pretty strict quarantine laws too, but we get various shrimp species. :)

Any way you could import from Aquabid? Do you have an NZ transhipper? In Australia we have Jodi Lea but I don't know if she does NZ.

Not too sure about that, but none of the LFS and online store sells shrimp.
the only tropcial snail around is ramhorn and this other one, but they don't usually appear in the LFS.
the only one around is Mystery shrimp from private sellers.

Probably can import your self, but the procedure are pretty expensive to do just for a few fish.and even then the species allowed are limited, as each specie has to be evaluated carefuly to avoid protential pests.
 
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