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Really frustrated with the lack of foresight on tank lids. Either the tanks don't have lids (OK, that's the purchasers visual preference I suppose), or they have full lids with rather large openings and no caps. Not even a "filler" cap sold by the company.

Instead we, the consumer, are left to jerry rig some ridiculous cover for oddly, and often pointlessly, designed openings in the tank lids.

Why is that?
I couldn't even find mesh at any of the local pet stores and I went to 3. I had to use saran wrap on one tank lid. After that tank started looking funky and had constant overhead moisture issues, despite my leaving small air gap, I didn't think it would be a good idea to block the flow entirely on the new tank. I also didn't think a betta could jump quite that high.

I was wrong on both counts.

But it shouldn't take us losing our fish to figure out that:
1. they are capable of jumping incredible distances
2. they need tight lids without uncapped holes already built in as options!

I'm not sure I want to mess with these now fish empty tanks because the manufacturers can't figure out that a $.30 part is a needed feature.

Really frustrated and upset at myself at the moment.
 

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I know what you mean, though, about impossible tanks. That's why I gave up and started buying a plain tank and furnishing with the equipment I wanted.

Good luck. Hope the mesh works for you.
 

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I know what you mean, though, about impossible tanks. That's why I gave up and started buying a plain tank and furnishing with the equipment I wanted.

Good luck. Hope the mesh works for you.
That's a good point, I suppose that's what I'll do going forward. I do love the quietness of the fluval filters though. That's about all I am enamored with though.

And thank you.
 

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Can you buy the same Fluval filter separately?

This one is on my 2.5 gallon and right next to me on my end table. I never hear it. Fully adjustable.
FORZA 5-15 Power Filter PFE-1 - 45GPH

Another good, quiet filter (on the tanks against the wall next to my end of the sofa LOL) is the AquaClear CycleGuard. These are two 20 long tanks divided x 3 with two 20 and one 30 on each; so six filters + the TruAqua PFE. CycleGuard is also fully adjustable.

I think I fully outfitted a 5.5 with Finnex Stingray for around $75 and a 10 gallon with same for not much difference. Might be more now as the lights have gone up in price a bit.

Stingray

Anyway, I've taken you off-topic a bit but hope the information is useful to you in future.
 

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Can you buy the same Fluval filter separately?

This one is on my 2.5 gallon and right next to me on my end table. I never hear it. Fully adjustable.
FORZA 5-15 Power Filter PFE-1 - 45GPH

Another good, quiet filter (on the tanks against the wall next to my end of the sofa LOL) is the AquaClear CycleGuard. These are two 20 long tanks divided x 3 with two 20 and one 30 on each; so six filters + the TruAqua PFE. CycleGuard is also fully adjustable.

I think I fully outfitted a 5.5 with Finnex Stingray for around $75 and a 10 gallon with same for not much difference. Might be more now as the lights have gone up in price a bit.

Stingray

Anyway, I've taken you off-topic a bit but hope the information is useful to you in future.

I think so. I'll certainly look into it. Fluval current design is a side pocket system the pulls the water in over the side filter so that wouldn't set up in another tank very well I don't imagine.
I will check out those filters though because I went through several in the original/temp tank I bought and nothing was quiet. I couldn't imagine the tanks in a living space at that decibel - or even for the fish IN those tanks!

The fluval 5g has an adjustable flow and is almost completely silent. The 9g, not so much but its not noticeable outside a few feet.

I'm definitely interested in any filter that's quiet AND adjustable! I'm not giving up on fish any time soon.

:)

Thank you again!
 

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I absolutely agree with your point! My tank lid has a hole in the front (meant to be a sort of hole to feed the fish through) as well as a gap at the back, and I am constantly worried that my betta will end up jumping out of the tank - even though that it is near enough impossible as he would have to position himself in an exact way.


All the best of luck on finding a suitable lid/cover and a filter, keep us updated and don't give up!
 

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Been reading this thread and I have to say with the new designer tanks on the market, there is a very distinct lack of engineering. Yes they look so cool but they are not always usable for the needs of the fish. Yep you and your friends think the tanks are really neat but when it comes down to really being usable, Not so much. They have built in filters (great) what happens when they go bad? They can't be replaced and no other filter fits. Their tops have holes for feeding but no door just open space.

Yeah I went through this phase too, but I thought long and hard about the tank and how it would be used. Then I bought a regular 5.5, 10, 20 gallon or better. I then bought separate filters and heaters to place in them and a glass canopy, with a clear plastic back piece that I could cut to the exact size for the opening of the filter, heater and airline tubing. It has a lid to open and close for feeding and water changes. They keep the fish in and other animals out. No need for mesh or plastic wrap and the tank does the job it was meant for.

It does not cost any more than the designer tank and has all the needs taken care of . Oh Yes it looks like a regular tank. But when things fail, and they will, I can replace them easily and know the whole tank doesn't need to be replaced. I saw today in the Petsmart add they have a starter Top Fin 5.5 tank for $20.00 has the tank top Led light ( low light) and an adjustable filter (Top Fin 10) (They are a great filter by the way I have them in all my 5.5 and a Top fin 40 in my 10 gallon.) All you need to buy extra is the heater, substrate, plants, and fish.

In conclusion I find the new designer tanks not worth the price you pay to impress you and your friends. But then again I'm an Old Keeper and set in my ways and I find that the old tank style just does fine for keeping fish safe and happy.
 

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I absolutely agree with your point! My tank lid has a hole in the front (meant to be a sort of hole to feed the fish through) as well as a gap at the back, and I am constantly worried that my betta will end up jumping out of the tank - even though that it is near enough impossible as he would have to position himself in an exact way.


All the best of luck on finding a suitable lid/cover and a filter, keep us updated and don't give up!
Yes! That lovely feeding hole that should have a cap on it. Stupid design to not have it. And I didn't think Jasper could, or would, get the inkling to angle himself just so to shoot out of a hole that's barely noticeable - esp in the dark. When I first saw the empty tank I thought if anything he'd jumped the small divide in the back and ended up in the filter area - which would have at least left him with water.. and alive.

I'll make these two tanks work for now but I highly doubt I'll ever go with a pre-done build again.

I think if your betta hasn't jumped yet he's not aiming for it anytime soon. *fingers crossed*
 

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Been reading this thread and I have to say with the new designer tanks on the market, there is a very distinct lack of engineering. Yes they look so cool but they are not always usable for the needs of the fish. Yep you and your friends think the tanks are really neat but when it comes down to really being usable, Not so much. They have built in filters (great) what happens when they go bad? They can't be replaced and no other filter fits. Their tops have holes for feeding but no door just open space.

Yeah I went through this phase too, but I thought long and hard about the tank and how it would be used. Then I bought a regular 5.5, 10, 20 gallon or better. I then bought separate filters and heaters to place in them and a glass canopy, with a clear plastic back piece that I could cut to the exact size for the opening of the filter, heater and airline tubing. It has a lid to open and close for feeding and water changes. They keep the fish in and other animals out. No need for mesh or plastic wrap and the tank does the job it was meant for.

It does not cost any more than the designer tank and has all the needs taken care of . Oh Yes it looks like a regular tank. But when things fail, and they will, I can replace them easily and know the whole tank doesn't need to be replaced. I saw today in the Petsmart add they have a starter Top Fin 5.5 tank for $20.00 has the tank top Led light ( low light) and an adjustable filter (Top Fin 10) (They are a great filter by the way I have them in all my 5.5 and a Top fin 40 in my 10 gallon.) All you need to buy extra is the heater, substrate, plants, and fish.

In conclusion I find the new designer tanks not worth the price you pay to impress you and your friends. But then again I'm an Old Keeper and set in my ways and I find that the old tank style just does fine for keeping fish safe and happy.
I don't particularly like the look of the designer tanks, most of them have NO lids (what the heck? That doesn't keep out or in ANYTHING. There's an entire "high end" shop in WA state that has lidless aquascaped tanks and I think its ridiculous that people pay laughable numbers for a useless {to the fish} water dish) and flimsy engineering.

When I first got Jasper I just bought the minibow to hold him (out of that dinky cup) while I researched better tanks. The 5g fluval was only bought because the 9g (that was so well reviewed, but I'm not thrilled with) hadn't arrived and I was heading out of town - didn't want to leave him in the minibow where he was hopping into the filter and the filter was unmanageable for flow despite trying nearly everything.

I like the 5g because it has so much open glass space and a nearly silent filter, but that hole in the lid is strange. The 9g has a solid black back wall and a black lid, and yet even with the lighting on it just seems claustrophobic and dark to me. More water but less.. visual freedom? It might sound nutty but I swear the fish love to be able to look out of their tank. Or some fish anyhow.
I may just look at a personalized 'regular' 10-20g setup and send back the 9g. Or find some shy Betta that wants a hide out.

For me the point is to keep the fish safe and happy, but I feel that way about any critter in my life. They aren't there to impress others or fit in with my 'style', they are here as friends and companions and they deserve the best situation for them, not the prettiest. That's certainly not everyones opinion though sadly.
 

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Well Yesterday I needed to Go to Erie PA to get filter cartridges for my Top Fin adjustable filters. I have the Top Fin 10 for all of my 5.5 gallon tanks since they were Top Fin starter kits and I have one Top Fin 40 for my 10 gallon community tank only because I wanted to cut expenses on the cost of filter cartridges. Plus the filter is also adjustable.

Any way I was doing some pricing on tanks and noticed that the Top Fin 5.5 gallon tanks were on sale for $19.99 reduced from $39.99 (Me: Oh heck yes I know I don't need a new tank but I can't refuse this price.) I bought 25 of these starter kits. The reason is I will be adding tanks in our basement fish room by sometime in the spring. For that price for complete setups I can't go wrong. Now These setups do not come with a heater (but what the heck I can get heaters on sale for less than $18.00.) Their filters are very good and if you take notice to the pictures Their Tops are Led (low lighting) and there is a feeding door that is hinged to open and close. The filter cutout area is long and wide enough for the Top Fin 10 adjustable filter and also gives enough room to place a heater. It does not leave any room for a betta to jump out of the tank, all exits are covered. There is also enough room in this slot to run an air line. This is why I like these setups They are very reasonable in price give you almost everything you need to start a betta tank and Under $40.00 ( yes I'm cheap. LOL)(I call it frugal) Take a look at this setup and match it to a designer setup of the same gallons ($69- $139.00 ) and with this setup if a filter fails you are able to replace it for under $20.00 instead of having to buy a new tank.

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First of all, if every other person who read this wrote a company a letter something would happen. We are the Customers! If we voice our opinions to them they will come up with better options. We have the power to change them if we speak up to the actual company!
Mail topfin, aqueon, and other companies explaining the design flaws to their tops and filters.


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Try craft mesh. Comes in enough colors to blend in with the lid.
I got the mesh a few days ago, one day late for my beloved Jasper, but here for Orion and his hospital tank - though he doesn't seem to be much of a jumper (so far), and the other tank has zero jumpers. I will have to figure out how to put that on the smaller hole on the other lid though. Not risking that again.

Thank you for the advice!
 

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Well Yesterday I needed to Go to Erie PA to get filter cartridges for my Top Fin adjustable filters. I have the Top Fin 10 for all of my 5.5 gallon tanks since they were Top Fin starter kits and I have one Top Fin 40 for my 10 gallon community tank only because I wanted to cut expenses on the cost of filter cartridges. Plus the filter is also adjustable.

Any way I was doing some pricing on tanks and noticed that the Top Fin 5.5 gallon tanks were on sale for $19.99 reduced from $39.99 (Me: Oh heck yes I know I don't need a new tank but I can't refuse this price.) I bought 25 of these starter kits. The reason is I will be adding tanks in our basement fish room by sometime in the spring. For that price for complete setups I can't go wrong. Now These setups do not come with a heater (but what the heck I can get heaters on sale for less than $18.00.) Their filters are very good and if you take notice to the pictures Their Tops are Led (low lighting) and there is a feeding door that is hinged to open and close. The filter cutout area is long and wide enough for the Top Fin 10 adjustable filter and also gives enough room to place a heater. It does not leave any room for a betta to jump out of the tank, all exits are covered. There is also enough room in this slot to run an air line. This is why I like these setups They are very reasonable in price give you almost everything you need to start a betta tank and Under $40.00 ( yes I'm cheap. LOL)(I call it frugal) Take a look at this setup and match it to a designer setup of the same gallons ($69- $139.00 ) and with this setup if a filter fails you are able to replace it for under $20.00 instead of having to buy a new tank.
Pretty sweet setup there! I'll have to go check that out soon, even if it's just for a backup tank. Not that I'd add any more fish to it of course. >:)
 

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First of all, if every other person who read this wrote a company a letter something would happen. We are the Customers! If we voice our opinions to them they will come up with better options. We have the power to change them if we speak up to the actual company!
Mail topfin, aqueon, and other companies explaining the design flaws to their tops and filters.


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Very good idea! They might sell more tanks if they know what the customer actually wants. :)
 

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First of all, if every other person who read this wrote a company a letter something would happen. We are the Customers! If we voice our opinions to them they will come up with better options. We have the power to change them if we speak up to the actual company!
Mail topfin, aqueon, and other companies explaining the design flaws to their tops and filters.


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I do like your idea of contacting the makers of the tanks and hoods in question. However the companies will listen to you politely and then keep right on making the tanks and hoods the way they want. Now don't get me wrong like I said it was a good idea. But first you need to understand that any change no matter how small it is will cost a company more in redesign and retooling not to mention the cost it will incur in retraining the employees to use the new tooling. It may all take over 5 years to retool and restart manufacturing again. Can they afford to do it slowly? Maybe. How much does it cost to have a letter opened and read? Not much. How much does it cost to re design and re tool (billions) Do you have the cash on hand to back their retooling do any of us> NO we do not.How much does it cost to have customer service or a complaint Dept be nice and listen to what you have to say and then hang up and the call go nowhere maybe a few dollars.

There are other tank solutions out there but the fish don't care what the tank or hood or lights look like they only care that they have a clean and healthy environment. They don't know or even care what the tank looks like to humans.

The best thing we can do for these designer deficient tanks is to come up with a way to keep the looks but we can make them safe for only a few dollars and the tanks still look nice. We give each other advice on how we did it and it goes from there. Other wise stop paying the outlandish price for these tanks.
 
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