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I know that salt containing iodine is not safe to use, but what about iodide? They're two side to the same coin, but is one safer than the other?
 

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No table salt additives are safe for bettas - iodine, anti-caking agents, etc. If you need salt badly check the grocery store for organic sea salt. The only ingredient listed on the canister should be "salt". Nothing else. If it has any other additives, it can't be used.
 

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If you are treating velvet I wouldn't even bother using salt. Your best bet is a copper based medication, used in conjunction with a bump in temperature and blacking out the tank. Velvet can be quite persistent, and sometimes when you use 'milder' treatment methods it can look like you've cured it, when in reality the parasite is still there waiting to make a return as soon as the fish experiences any sort of stress.

I've had extensive experience with treating velvet in my fish room, and the only medication I use is Seachem Cupramine.
 

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I'm in agreeance with LBF. Go ahead and get some copper meds but be careful if you have any crustacean in the tank as it will kill them. The tank you treat will also never be able to hold crustaceans for the future either, any trace of copper can kill them. But, it will treat your fish successfully.


I've had good luck with SeaChem's Cupramine and with CopperSafe (though it's been a few years since I've used it). Just a tip, if you use SeaChem's Cupramine and you have Seachem's Prime water conditioner, do not use that before or after you use Cupramine. The Prime causes a reaction with the Copper that makes it 5 times more potent. So, use another water conditioner for your water change. If you don't have Prime, then don't worry ;-)


Salt's are good for preventative use but not for curing parasites or bacterial diseases. There are many anecdotal evidences that say salt is a cure-all, but it's just not true. The only thing it does is balance out electrolytes (good) and it can sterilize an open wound which will help prevent infection in the future (also good!). So, it's still useful, just not in the way that many think it is.


Often treating something "holistically" when it needs a real medication is not good. I always suggest trying something little first but if he clearly has Velvet, it's time to break out the big guns. If one is not sure of what disease it may be, that's when you start little and work your way up.


On that note, do you have pictures or another thread that we can help out with? Often times, what looks like Velvet, is only iridescence and isn't actually the parasite.
 

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On that note, do you have pictures or another thread that we can help out with? Often times, what looks like Velvet, is only iridescence and isn't actually the parasite.
I'm positive that it's velvet. I've never seen the yellow rust on him ever before, and it explains why he looks so 'dusty' recently. It's not like any iridescence I've seen, and looks like grains almost.

Here's my post on trying to figure out why his fins were clamped:


http://www.bettafish.com/99-betta-fish-diseases-emergencies/748834-sudden-clamped-fins.html
 

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Can you still post pictures of him? There are a few "dust" parasites out there, so we just want to make sure before we go bombarding him with medications. As we've mentioned here, Velvet is finicky and you can't treat it holistically since it is a parasite. So, up close pictures with the flash and a flashlight on him would be the best.
 

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As I went to take a photo of him, I discovered that he unfortunately passed away while I was at the petstore. ._.

His body doesn't appear to have the dust anymore. I expect his aquarium + other items are to be thrown away? Unless they can be sterilized somehow?

*The pet store didn't have anything in stock, but I did get aquarium salt. I was planning on going out of town tomorrow to get some at another pet store.
 

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I'm sorry to hear that Swift. Sometimes these things just happen.

It sounds like it could have been a slime coat infection as well or an irritation to something maybe in the water that took time to irritate him. That's not all that uncommon to see.

You can continue to use that tank. Just dump out your water, rinse your gravel and let it dry out for a few days. Or purchase new gravel if you like. You can use boiling water (please be careful!!!) to sterilize the tank in the sink. Can't just be hot, has to be boiling to actually sterilize anything. Let it dry completely and you should be go to go.

I personally never sterilize my tanks any more unless it's something I know is seriously contagious, then I might, or throw it out if it's cheap enough. It's up to you in the end.

As I did mention before, Salt is a good preventative but do remember that it won't heal anything. If you want to use it at a preventative level then you can use it indefinitely at 1 tsp per 5 gallons. Just remember that salt doesn't evaporate so don't add more unless you're doing a water change and physically take out some water. Just topping off the tank doesn't count as it remains the same and you'd end up overdosing the salt eventually. It's why I recommend the lower dosage of salt, it allows for some mistakes to be made and not be harmful for the fish still :) if you ever want to fully remove the salt then you've got to do a 100% water change, otherwise you'll never fully get it all out. Though, trace amounts of it isn't going to hurt the fish at all. Aquarium salt is good at helping balance out the fish's electrolytes.
 
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