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Just over 2 weeks into cycling my new 5g tank, I got some green algae on the glass, and moved a zebra snail in. He seems as happy as larry and is running trails through it.

But then yesterday, I noticed speckles of black all over two plants. Like leopard spots. Both plants came from the same place, so I am sure they arrived with it. Though invisible at the time.
I didn't 'bleach' them before adding to the tank because they arrived in v cold weather and I didn't want to shock them further. It was a conscious decision that now turns out to be a mistake.

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No algae showing on any of the other plants (yet) which either came from Tropica, AquariumGardens, or my old tank which has a v slight running population of green algae that feeds the snails in there.

So, am now running a dark tank for a few days, and have ordered some Seachem Flourish.

Do you think there is any point in digging out both of the algaed plants (1 Anubias mini and 1 dwarf Java Fern) and 'bleaching' them now?
 

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Green algae

The Green Algae is not a bad thing really. It's showing the tank is doing well. Now that said a green bloom on your plants is natural. You say you put in a zebra snail which is doing well. How about putting in about 3 more mystery or nitrate snails. They love climbing the plants and eating the algae off of them and they wont eat your plants. If your tank is close to a window which offers natural light than either move the tank from the window or only use your tank light 6-8 hours a day, I have a FrugaRay planted + 16 inch from Finnex greatest light I have ever used. Plants grow great on an 8 hour timer. But I still get algae on the sides and on the plants. I clean the sides with a scraper daily but I leave the algae to my 4 mystery snails and the plants all look good. Use Flourish once a week 1/2 teaspoon and your plants will do very well. You also said you found spots on some of your leaves? are they moving? if they are than I would remove the plants and dip them in bleach. Either that or assassin snails will do that job right quick. I never like those little critters. Worse than flees and bed bugs.
 

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Well well well
Have spent the evening reading up on diatoms... now second guessing the Flourish.

The zebra snails (nerites) do such a fab job in the big tank, I may move all of them into 5g for a little feast.
Only problem is getting the brown stuff off the fine leaves. I went for dwarf and mini varieties to avoid overwhelming the small tank. So the zebras are probably too hefty to climb the delicate ones.

Oh, and light... tricky.
Some say starve diatoms of light.
Others say diatoms are far less dependant on light than true algaes, and keep enough light so the plants grow rapidly.

Oh well, one thing I can definitely be pleased about 🙂
Apparently diatom bloom usually happens near the end of cycling.

Which pleases me no end! 🙂
 

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Sorry, wrote my post before reading yours (the perils of navigating the forum on a smart phone).

Yes, am happy about the green algae. Have always considered some algae to be a sign of diversity and a healthy tank, so long as it is under control. Happy as Larry Snail will have the others move in with him for a while, and will watch for progress.

A couple of my reading sources this evening said their diatoms got worse with Flourish. So I may save it until the snails have munched their way through most of it. It is definitely brown surface algae rather than baby snails, I am delighted to say.
 

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You would be surprised to find even larger snails climbing delicate plants don't do any harm to them, I have some plants in my tank that I thought the snails I have (all 4 are over 1 inch) would hurt or break the leaves off. They climb them and even get the very tips clean and the plants don't even bend. It has to do with their Bouncy. they make themselves lighter than the leaves. I'm amazed each time I see one on my ferns. As far as using flourish, unless you have a nutrient rich substrat or you use plant tabs your plants would not get enough nutrient and would show signs of stress from lack of food. I have a mix of ferns and Anubis in the tank and each have a different light need and nutrient need. I add 2.5 ml per week of flourish and my plants grow like weeds. I'm trimming the bunch plants almost 2 times a week, all of my plants are in regular white sand not substrat, the bunch plants are held in place buried in the sand and have rooted within 2 weeks of planting. My anubis are also planted but only the roots are in the sand and only about 1/8 inch deep and I've put a few pebbles over the roots to hold them in place. Every plant I have has rooted in short order and I know it's because I do use flourish and also the natural nitrites help to feed them.
As far as the algae let the snails do their job and use a scraper on the back front and sides of the glass. If you go to an aquarium and look at the plants there you will notice every plant will have some algae growing on the leaves and stems. it's natural. So let your snails do their job and thank the cycle and the job it's done, because green algae (to some extent) is one sign of a healthy tank.

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Notice the algae bloom and the snails on the more fragile bunch plant leaves.
 

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Yes indeed.
That mountaineering snail is AWESOME!!!

As I said, am happy to have the green algae, just not the brown (diatoms), but that will all sort itself out in time. Always a relief to read on the internet how many experienced tank scapers and experienced aquarists have the diatom bloom late in the cycling process.

Must admit that my major concern is just the small size of this tank. 5g is just too small for me. Really wish I had gone bigger. Wonder how long I will last before upgrading to at least a 10. Haha!

(by the way, the substrate is this stuff https://www.aquariumgardens.co.uk/tropica-aquarium-soil-3l-1029-p.asp and the liquid fertiliser is this https://www.aquariumgardens.co.uk/tnc-complete-500ml-227-p.asp so it won't be long before the plants muscle the algae to the sidelines. I hope)
 

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I have found small tanks a big challenge with out a doubt. I like my bigger tanks for the room and the ability to control the way it's planted and better filtration. In my 75 gal. I use a canister filter which will filter 900 gal. per Hour and a 300 gal. per hour HOB. In this way not only am I getting the filtration at both ends (top and bottom of the tank) and in this way the tank stays crystal clear and the canister filter doesn't need changed as often. In my 29 gallon I use a canister filter and also a HOB which together filter about 600 gph. Yes I do over filter these tanks but with the 29 gal. I have pushed the limit of fish in the tank by about 15 and the 75 gal. also over stocked, so in this case filtration is a must. My 75 gal. is home to African Cichlids from Lake Victoria Bottom is all White sand with some plants but mostly Rocks built up with hides for breeding and homes for 56 fish. All the new fry I let go until they are big enough and feeding well and then sold to a local buyer or traded for supplies. (keeps my cost down). So I do find it harder to cycle and keep a smaller tank, but I do have a lot more fun, and it keeps me busy, and out of trouble, which my Wife likes.
If you want to go bigger for your boy try a 10 gallon heavy planted (more Nano tank than fish tank.) I have one Double tail, My oldest boy, in my 10 gallon and he has been with me for 8 years and at times I get a friends female that he breeds with and after they hatch he gets all the fry. (just a treat for the old boy) he's a good father. LOL. The longer your in to fish Keeping the more you learn and the more you want to try. It's a hobby you will love for life. Nothing like sitting in the fish room with my wife, and nothing but the tank lights on, and some soft music just watching the fish. So soothing.
 

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Lovely.
And now I want to see pics of ALL your tanks! lol

I realised I should have posted a pic of the tank so you could see it.

This is the 5g at around 5 days old


The diatoms have developed on the plants in each back corner, and the green algae on the right side wall (which is also the wall that gets the light from my computer. The plants have already grown and started to fill out.

Today was day 2 of darkness.
Tomorrow, I will turn on the light and see if the diatoms have continued to spread in the dark.
 

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Thank you - they look great.
I've always had very simple, stress free tanks. And to be honest, things have been ticking over comfortably for years. None of this high tech multi light options that everyone is doing nowadays.

Getting Tagawa in the big tank, and now starting up the 5g is reigniting my learning curve!
Am loving it.
 

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Gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous

They give such pleasure, don’t they?
 

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Pleasure and love

They do give a lot of pleasure. But the best pleasure is knowing you do your best to make the tank and all in it, the best home you can. When the water quality and health of the tank show in the care you take all the work, and love you put into the final result. knowing this tank has been up now for some 4 years with no loss of fish, and plants that just keep on growing, the satisfaction I get just watching these guys is so great. I found some pictures of my 29 gallon but have not gotten to find any of my 75.

29 gallon community tank. Know that these are pictures taken right after the tank went up 4 years ago the plants have tripled in size and coverage.

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Fab pics
I sooooo covet a bigger tank.
I was standing in my LFS today, while they had a mini crisis. Apparently the next store over (25 miles away) had discovered a leak in one of their huge marine tanks and my home store were sending over one of their spare tank to try and save the occupants.

It was 6 feet x 2 x 2. All staff were dealing with the crisis, and all customers were being ignored, while the staff carried the thing out to the transport van.

Good set of priorities!

Hope it all goes OK.
 

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Diatom bloom is improving! yay!

3 days of darkness, and the black blobs seem to be lifting off the plant leaves by themselves. The snail is still busy on the glass, and hasn't trekked across the carpet plants to find the middle of the tank.

There are still dots of brown algae/diatoms on the fake tree root, where the light hits it. But I have decided not to worrit about them. Everything I read says that a diatom bloom is usual towards the end of cycling a new tank, and it will clear by itself in a few weeks. In the meantime, I want the snail to have something to eat.

I have also added some small indian almond (catappa) leaves to both tanks. Bought normal sized ones (which turn out to be 8 inches long) and small ones, which are around 1-2 inches long. have put half a big one in the 15 gallon, and 3 little ones in the 5g, and will see what they do, adjusting accordingly.
 

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In other news, I have not been able to resist having a look around for a future ruler of the 5g.
Premature, I know, since cycling is ongoing, and probably will be for a couple of weeks.
But I have seen these beauties, and fallen in love with all of them.
Unfortunately, I expect they will all be sold long before I am ready to buy.

However, as a newcomer to betta I am curious to know how much their colour is likely to change over time.
My current betta, Tagawa, was a pale irridescent aqua green and blood red, when I bought him. Over the next month, he has slowly deepened to a peacock blue-green and much brighter red.

Are the following youngsters likely to darken/alter/change as they grow up more. I know that old bettas go duller and browner, but the yellow one, for instance - is he likely to dull down to brown before he hits old age?
 

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Their colors will most likely brighten and intensify. The only time they actually change color is when they have what's commonly referred to as the marble gene, although I have had one who's blue wash faded leaving only the red under color but that happened right before he passed away from an illness I could not cure.
 

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The right food

I find the more comfort They find in their home the more vibrant their colors come out. I have also found the food they eat is also a color enhancement. I have fed Omega One betta buffet to all my guys for years. This food has everything a betta needs, and more it does contain color enhancement and their colors don't really change but they get brighter and are enhanced by the food. It comes in pellet and flakes. I feed flakes to my guys and like I said I have for years. Ben was a PetSmart Black Orchard and his colors when I bought him did look like a Black Orchard, After a few weeks with the Omega One his colors have come out and his black has turned to a very vibrant blue green and the tail tips have come out with more white with the inner part a very dark blue black. I know Harry was a blur double tail when I got him and since being fed Omega One his blue has gotten darker and there are reds and greens that have popped out. Gunny's Gray body has gotten some what darker and his white fins just make him stand out. Omega One Betta Buffet is an all natural food made just for betta it is a complete diet. I have been feeding Omega one foods to all my fish and colors have really popped,
 

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In other news, I have not been able to resist having a look around for a future ruler of the 5g.
Premature, I know, since cycling is ongoing, and probably will be for a couple of weeks.
But I have seen these beauties, and fallen in love with all of them.
Unfortunately, I expect they will all be sold long before I am ready to buy.

However, as a newcomer to betta I am curious to know how much their colour is likely to change over time.
My current betta, Tagawa, was a pale irridescent aqua green and blood red, when I bought him. Over the next month, he has slowly deepened to a peacock blue-green and much brighter red.

Are the following youngsters likely to darken/alter/change as they grow up more. I know that old bettas go duller and browner, but the yellow one, for instance - is he likely to dull down to brown before he hits old age?
In time I think all the colors will darken and enhance but again when they settle in and their comfort level settles them down, It's a good bet each one of those choices will stand out. By the way I'm very partial to the Elephant Ear Those colors are so beautiful.
 
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