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I love your tank! And this thread was so helpful to me with my newly cycled tank! He's so pretty!
Thank you! That means a lot to me. :grin2:
 

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Thank you! That means a lot to me. :grin2:
I've had the same saga with my newly cycled 20L future blackwater tank that was for my Betta given to me by a client in a 2.5 gallon. I'm a pet sitter (we do fish, too, BTW. So sorry about Val :sob: I always tell people you cannot trust friends and family for the most part. They don't have the experience and judgement to know what they don't know and OFTENTIMES they think they know better. Usually they do something COMPLETELY ridiculous or wrong you'd never dream of....leaving you wondering "WHAT the HECK were they THINKING!?". One time a client had a neighbor feed her lovebird. Instead of using HER FOOD, the idiot brought INTO HER HOME his large sized wild bird sunflower seed which a small parrot cannot even crack open and the poor bird died of starvation.)

Anyway....I acclimated him in the 20L and was all excited....and the ph matched THAT DAY 7.0....in but then realized my PH was bouncing so he went "back" into a 5.5 gallon where I can control the parameters much better. The prior owner used a certain bottled water with a high ph, too, so that's what he was used to.

My tap PH is 8.0! (the same as his former bottled water)....But I used Fluval Stratum which brings it down to VERY VERY low around 6.4 if that. AND some botanical to make matters worse LOL. From Tannin Aquatics...very nice BTW but DON'T ORDER ANY LOL.

So the challenge is what the heck do I do with water changes? I can't dump a bunch of 8.0 into a 6.4 environment.

Been all over the place during the learning curve. :frustrated:

Started with Eco Complete but had a HUGE high ph. Removed that and replaced with Fluval Stratum (ugh). THEN I had attached plants to (and used for hardscaping) a bunch of Seiryu Stone THEN learned it raises PH. So I had low ph Stratum competing with the stone.

I just added a very large seiryu stone back in but I don't like the idea of that because it's sort of artificially changing the ph and what happens when it all levels out if it ever does.

Sigh LOL. I've been thinking about changing substrates once more but still don't know what to do about this tap water 8.0. I guess I assumed the 8.0 combined with the Stratum 6.5 would "average out" to 7.0. Sort of hoping it still does but what about water changes!?

Ironically just before you posted about aeration, I had put a new air stone in there just to see if I could get the tank to adjust faster - never thinking it would RAISE the PH again hahaha. Not too bright of me considering that air stone would HAVE TO GO once the Betta went back in. :doh!:

Anyway, I think it's all the woods, plants and uncertainty of a new tank, not whether it's small or large so don't feel bad!

I think this betta is going to have to live in his nice little 5G and the 20L I set up will just have to be for a tank of fish who LOVE 8.0 with a new neutral substrate!!

Probably a rookie mistake worrying more about the cycling than forethought about the simple yet big problem of PH!

The entire thing started with inspiration from this youTube guy who did a beautiful blackwater tank for one betta with the same substrate and plants. But he never mentioned his PH and I never asked facepalm.

Also ironic I used to be a pet store owner and never had all this nonsense with 20 tanks of fish! WTH LOL.
 

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Again...I am SO glad you posted about flow. I JUST NOW realized I have my filter on max flow Aqua Clear 30...PLUS using the "new" aeration bubbler....adding to the PH war! BOTH which will have to change to accommodate the Betta so it's pointless!
 

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Oooh FAB posts. And I really feel your pain!

I have begun to think that the best thing I can do is to Stop Bloomin’ Testing the pH! Haha!

But no, I need to keep an eye on it.

Actually, you’ve reminded me - and I had completely forgotten this, til now - one of the reasons I was so determined to do a fishless cycle with this 22litre tank was because I had chosen Tropica Soil substrate. Love this stuff. Lightweight. Dark brown. No need to rinse. No dust or cloudiness. Excellent plant growth. But it says on the package that it may lower the pH in the first weeks, and to do 50% water changes to prevent this. More changes than are usually recommended while cycling... i thought that should have cleared up months ago, but maybe not.

As for your pH issues, please don’t assume that my pH nonsense means that you shouldn’t aerate. I suspect there are lots of factors involved. My tap water is hard. Limescale furring up the pipes. Also nitrates of 40 out of the tap. UK treatment processes and chemicals. I’m sure they each play their part.
 
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Oh boy. At least my only luck is decent KH and GH. JUST within the acceptable parameters. And ZERO nitrates out of the tap OMG that's crazy.

I won't be aerating when and IF the fish ever goes back into this 20 long so ....meh.

I bought the aerator because it was CUTE (haha) and I thought you could make it very fine bubbles but you can't anyway...even with a flow control added to the hose! Another thing I saw on youTube but the guy had a completely different massive planted tank with plants and fish who LOVE FLOW!!

Oh the money we waste!

https://smile.amazon.com/Eheim-8599-Adjustable-Air-Diffuser/dp/B004K7XFII/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=eheim+air&qid=1562333956&s=gateway&sr=8-6

Anyway, have a nice day obsessing about your tank!

BTW I read that none of these substrates "normalize" until they use up all their "nutrients" or "wipe out" so I don't think it's any time soon for either you or me!
 

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Whoosa pretty boy then?







Pity about the floating (and sinking) food in the last pic. May try and edit it out. lol.
 
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Yellow shrimp babies!

Just three weeks after they arrived in the tank, there are shimpy babies.
Only about 3mm long, and nearly invisible unless they are swimming against a dark background, but they seem happy enough zipping around the moss and the 'wood' root.
Have seen 3 so far, but I suspect that is the tip of the iceberg.

What does a person do with excess shrimp? Give them away to fish stores?
Now I need to read up on shrimp reproduction and baby shrimp requirements.
And how the heck am I going to do water changes without sucking all the little brats into the siphon? Gauze cloth cover? filter sponge?

I'm a Mum again!!!
 

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You do have quite the quandary going on. It would be a good thing to use Gauze or a filter sponge on the siphon. However that brings into play the vacuuming of the substrate. You would never be able to get the larger excess food off the bottom. But than again that's what you have shrimp for (the cleanup crew). Your tank is in amazing shape and all of your fish feel comfortable enough with the parameters to breed. That says volumes about your care. As far as what to do with the excess shrimp. (MMMMMM dinner comes to mind with cocktail sauce.) LOL
 

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LOL

Within an hour of first spotting the babies, I saw Tagawa take a snap at one (missed by a mile!), but there is always the chance he will pick them them off slowly.
He has never taken the slightest interest in the adult yellow shrimp (all of an inch long, but still growing a bit).
So he is obviously too wimpish to actually take on a ferocious grown up about 10% of his own size ;) but he obviously thinks that babies are fair game.

I had prawns for lunch, yesterday, sitting at my desk next to this tank and all my cute little yellow shrimp. It was an uncomfortable experience!
 
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Now that is so funny. You and Tagawa having the same lunch. LOL I bet that intimidates the shrimp. Now if Tagawa would man up and devour them maybe the older ones would back off. LOL

I've been visiting Gilford the Guppy's tank daily since I noticed his fins are being attacked by Morry. They for the longest time were best Buds. Now Morry has taken to fin nipping. I noticed today that he was chasing Gilford and it abruptly stopped when Gilford stopped and turned to face him. Gilford got right up into Morry's face and Morry hi tailed it for the back of the tank to hid in the plants. Gilford may have lost finnage but he hasn't lost the fight. LOL Morry is such a bully. And Gilford likes the fight.
 

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LOL

Within an hour of first spotting the babies, I saw Tagawa take a snap at one (missed by a mile!), but there is always the chance he will pick them them off slowly.
He has never taken the slightest interest in the adult yellow shrimp (all of an inch long, but still growing a bit).
So he is obviously too wimpish to actually take on a ferocious grown up about 10% of his own size 😉 but he obviously thinks that babies are fair game.

I had prawns for lunch, yesterday, sitting at my desk next to this tank and all my cute little yellow shrimp. It was an uncomfortable experience!
😂 Shrimp scare tactics.
I have a betta in a 5g by my husband's chair and he was sitting there eating fish and chips. He set the bottle of tartar sauce next to the tank and I just looked at him and asked "Is that a threat?"

When I had my brackish tank I had a bunch of ghost shrimp in there that always bred like crazy. I just used pantyhose (lol) over the siphon to avoid casualties. My dragon goby would occasionally munch them by accident when they would sit on his food, so I never really worried about having too much. Maybe Tagawa will learn from example by watching you. 😁
 

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I can just see it now, Fish and chips, and prawns with cocktail sauce and tarter sauce sitting next to the betta tank. What a way to intimidate your boys. LOL
 

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😂 Shrimp scare tactics.
I have a betta in a 5g by my husband's chair and he was sitting there eating fish and chips. He set the bottle of tartar sauce next to the tank and I just looked at him and asked "Is that a threat?"

When I had my brackish tank I had a bunch of ghost shrimp in there that always bred like crazy. I just used pantyhose (lol) over the siphon to avoid casualties. My dragon goby would occasionally munch them by accident when they would sit on his food, so I never really worried about having too much. Maybe Tagawa will learn from example by watching you. 😁
Well, if they sat on Gobi’s food... haha!
Wonderful images.
 

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You don't need to worry about feeding baby shrimp as yours is a fairly mature tank. If you have an HOB check inside the filter as, even with a filter sponge, I found some babies. I never worried about vacuuming. What I did was keep my finger poised over the output part of the vacuum. If I thought I saw a baby being swept up I just closed off the opening. Never did get one, though.

You can have 100 shrimp per gallon so I don't think you'll be terribly overcrowded terribly soon. ;-)
 

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Brill!

And I don’t think we will have a population explosion too soon. I watched Tagawa snap one up today, and i suspect he has been busy.
Yesterday, i saw several babies. Today, none.
RIP babies.

Clearly, his hunting skills just needed a little fins-on experience. :(
Will have to do a daily roll call for the adults, in case he gets a taste for yellow nigiri
But I’m hoping he stays too wimpy for that, or he could be moving home, yet again!
 

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Oh that poor little man. You put him in a new home with temptation. It's like Adam and Eve. only this guy loves shrimp. he isn't doing anything you didn't do in front of him. Shame on you MUM. LMBO.
 

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Yes indeed.
Mea culpa.

I am a bad, bad, mum!
 
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