Ok so if you've been following my exploits I'm giving it another go, and for those who haven't I've tried and failed about 4 times to breed. I'm giving my original pair another go, except I'm going to remove the male again and cup the eggs. I've gotten one fry from these guys before so I'm going to see if I can't get any more this way. Their spawning as I type. They've been at it for about 45 mins and Velvet is only a bit skinnier. She just released about 20 eggs and Walter is super busy trying to pick all of them up. I got a good feeling about this one. He's not chasing her off yet and she's not going crazy again. I'm a keepin my fingers crossed!