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Hello all!

I introduced my veiltail betta in the picture category a few days ago, and some people pointed out that SHE actually could be a HE!!! I decided to make a formal thread about her gender so more people could get a good look at her.

The problem is that she has characteristics of both males and females ...

Fins: Longer than your average female veiltails, but not as long as a male's.
Ventrals: On the longer side, but very slender.
Body Shape: Thin head with a round middle tapering off to her tail. Like a kite shape almost.
Egg Spot: Yessir! Very noticeable.
Beard: Not visible unless breathing or flaring, but even then it's not "puffing up". More like "peeking out".
Bubble Nest: None yet, but who knows? She has accidentally blown bubbles before, but doesn't seem to realize it. She chased them around like she had no idea where they came from -__-
Flaring: She does flare, mostly at her heater, which is shiny. She flares head on, mostly.
Ovary: She does have a light patch where her ovary should be. It's hard to tell, though, because she's so vividly colored.

She's a little under 2 inches, tail to mouth, so I think she's full-grown or at least old enough to sex.

Thanks! Here are a few pictures that may be helpful. Some are better than others.

-MadameDesu
 

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I would say a young male but don't quote me on that lol
 

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Male- the ventrals are way too long to be female.

May have a spade tail (which is rare- but sometimes pop up), or a very young VT who hasn't grown out the tail yet. It takes 7 months of age until the tail is full length.
 

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i'm with myates ..

very much looks like a male with a spade tail =D
 

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1. Does she have an ovipositor (white egg spot under the belly) - probably a female
2. Look at her flare, Does her gills open 90* and does she have a large sort of beard? - probably a male.
Females usually have smaller beard and her gill doesn't open 90*
 

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i have a female that looks similar to your fishy. her body is about 1 3/4 in long. so she's definitely not young. and she displays breeding stripes as well.

i'm unsure though if yours is male or female. it looks like it could be either!

here's my female btw. :)
 

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Keep in mind young males can have a false egg spot. IMO it looks like a boy. If you could get a picture of him/her flaring it tells a lot about a fish
 

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i have a female that looks similar to your fishy. her body is about 1 3/4 in long. so she's definitely not young. and she displays breeding stripes as well.

i'm unsure though if yours is male or female. it looks like it could be either!

here's my female btw. :)
Oh wow! She really does look a lot like mine!

1. Does she have an ovipositor (white egg spot under the belly) - probably a female
2. Look at her flare, Does her gills open 90* and does she have a large sort of beard? - probably a male.
Females usually have smaller beard and her gill doesn't open 90*
She has an egg spot!
WHOA! I just got her to flare a bit and her beard popped out further than I've seen it pop out before. It's not really a dark color, about the same as the rest of the red on her.
It wasn't like any of the pictures of males that I've seen (like this: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln3kunUqVF1qisydyo1_500.jpg:)

More like this: http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/157/c/4/Flare_Flare_Flare_by_BettaPhotographer.jpg

You can't see it when she isn't flaring, though.

Keep in mind young males can have a false egg spot. IMO it looks like a boy. If you could get a picture of him/her flaring it tells a lot about a fish
I'll try, but she is very quick and doesn't like pictures, hahaha.
 

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well the female i have posted above actually has the smallest beard out of any of my females. my other females have a wider more noticeable beard when they flare. but they don't spread out like a male's beard.
 

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I think that if she doesn't grow within about 2-3 months, I'll finally be comfortable calling her a female. Well, I'm calling her a girl now because I've bonded with a "her" :p
If it becomes obvious that she is actually a he, I'll worry about it then.
It's just kinda spooky that yours looks SO much similar to mine! Is she a spadetail? I think mine might be. She's not a veiltail, I think.
 

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the other thing is.. do you have a male you could compare this fishy to? males and females have slightly different body shapes.
 

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well i wanna say she's a spade tail. but i actually didn't notice until someone said something in the thread i posted about her. but she does look it! lol
 

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the other thing is.. do you have a male you could compare this fishy to? males and females have slightly different body shapes.
Nope, she's my only one as of now.
 

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okay! lol well maybe look at pictures of males and compare. thats what mostly sold me on the fact mine was female. her body was just so different than the males i have. oh, and the breeding stripes. lol
 

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If she really is a spadetail, then the few pictures I'm finding of male spadetails have a much different body shape.
There's still a possibility that she's a young male veiltail, but I can't find any pictures of those for comparison. Also, I'm not entirely sure of her age, but she is about 2 inches, so she may be done growing or close to it.
I wish she would just lay eggs or something, lol.
 

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here's my fish. top is male. bottom 2 are female. if it helps.
 

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you said previously that she's 2 inches nose to tip of tail right? usually you measure from nose to where the tail begins. like my blue female is about 1 3/4 in from nose to where tail begins. my smallest female is only about 1 1/4 in.
 

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you said previously that she's 2 inches nose to tip of tail right? usually you measure from nose to where the tail begins. like my blue female is about 1 3/4 in from nose to where tail begins. my smallest female is only about 1 1/4 in.
Oh! In that case she's probably a little under 1.5". She's not really the kind of fish to sit still and be measured :roll:

And those pictures helped! The male's body looks more broad than hers. She looks more like the bottom two.
 

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cool! i personally think she looks like a girl. i mean the ventral fins will be longer if she has longer fins in general. i would just keep comparing pictures of males and females to her.
 
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