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:-? My healthy 3yr old betta is showing all signs of illness and and to start with had a white smooth patch on his chest.....after some research and the pet store...I've treated him with Furan 2 for 7 days....this didn't seem to do anything.. so did a couple 60% water changes and put new sponge and charcoal to the filter to remove any remaining meds....still no improvement....it's been 2 days now....and the discolored area looks golden now with some red areas....I coaxed him out from the leaves late tonight and the swim by to say hello seemed to be difficult for him...weak maybe....as this has been going on for almost 2 wks....but amazingly enough he ate 3 pellets while he swam by.....should I treat with Tetracycline?? As there is definately a problem still. Any advice would be great and I will try to upload a pic or two. Thanks for reading!
 

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What do you mean by the golden patch? The color on the underside of his belly? If so that looks normal for his coloring. As far as him acting sluggish it looks like he might be bloated, caused by over feeding. You starve him for a couple of days and see how he does, like if he takes a big poo.
 

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Hi Blueridge and thanks for your reply :) Sorry for the poor pic also. The lightened area was white and smooth when he first started acting sick....not eating...not swimming around....not moving on the top of the leaves....he likes to nestle in the leaves normally...but was sitting on them like he didn't have the energy to keep himself up.....then did the treatment with no improvement....When he was young I did overfeed him as I didn't know better and he was such a pig....so he's always looked bloated.....and he's not constipated because I've been watching for that.....his underbelly was never white before....I watch him regulary for changes....now it's turned a golden color....I'm not sure what's going on....
 

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Hmmmm...that is weird. If you want more help I would post this in the emergency section and fill out the forum for it too. Good luck!
 

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Hi Mo....no not sprinkled or dust like.....just smooth color change and somewhat translucent (spelling :) looking in some spots....I did start him on the Tetracycline this afternoon....so we'll see how that goes...some of his scales were slightly raised near the front of him today also....I think he may have a internal bacterial infection....he has eaten a couple pellets twice today so that is a good sign.....I'm hoping and crossing my fingers as I am quite attached to the little guy......:)
 

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Just saying trying to treat a disease that you have no idea what it is is a terrible idea. Just sayinng the raised scales could be dropsy, mine would never eat, clamped fins, and never moved. Come home one day and the scales were raised. Sign of advanced dropsy known as pineconing. I had to euthanasia him that night to ease the suffering.
 

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Well it's better than doing nothing.........besides he does move, eat, no clamping, and swimming ok.....but it's something...and I have ruled out other diseases....so just trying to help the big guy get better.....sorry to hear about your fish....
 

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It is okay, but some medicines can do worse than good. I just don't want you putting him on so many meds and not knowing what you are treating. There is a ton of different diseases that use different meds than others, external parasites, internal parasites, SBD, fin rot, dropsy, fungus, and more.

I would ask Myates or Sakura about it. Sakura is on right now so ask her.
 

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Id guess he's constipated...if its a smooth whie color and not fuzzy patches....maby try some empom salt 1teaspoon per gallon...it has to be fragerance free and humans should be able to drink it.......maby fastem for a few days...good luck with ur betta buddy also what is the tank tamp?
 

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Id guess he's constipated...if its a smooth whie color and not fuzzy patches....maby try some empom salt 1teaspoon per gallon...it has to be fragerance free and humans should be able to drink it.......maby fastem for a few days...good luck with ur betta buddy also what is the tank tamp?

Hey Iceyrose.....nope not constipated....tank temp at constant 85 degrees...I use the recommended dosage of aquarium salt....I'm a little nervous to add epsom salt....thanks though....I'll check into that...
 

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Hi blueboy. Is your boy bloated? Nothing fuzzy or raised? Usually a discolored belly indicates bloating or stomach troubles. The stomach tends to turn whitish/gray. The golden color is probably natural coloration now. What I'm mostly concerned about is your guy's age. At 3 years old, he'd be considered a very old betta and at that age, a betta's body starts to undergo changes such as color changes, appetite, fin loss, and changes in the levels of activity. I'm worried that these are all signs that your guy's body is starting to shut down. :( I very much hope this isn't the case but I do want to prepare you for this possibility.

Right now, probably the best thing for your guy would be to put him in 1 tsp of epsom salt per gallon as icyrose suggests. Epsom salt will help leech out any toxins in his body to aid in preventing bloating. Make sure the water is warm, around 78-80 degrees, and keep his tank dim and quiet so he can rest. If he starts to show trouble of reaching the surface to breathe, you can lower the water level as much as necessary.

Since you've already treated him with Furan-2, which is a pretty good antibiotic, I don't think medications will help. Instead, go with the epsom salt and if you can, try to add tannins to the water. You can get tannins from Indian Almond Leaf or from naturally dried, clean oak leaves. You can just crumble the oak leaves up into the water until it changes to a tea color. Tannins have some antimicrobial properties and they also turn the water the same color as the water found in a betta's natural habitat.

Keep trying to feed him. Change the water as often as possible, too, redosing the epsom salts as necessary.

I hope this advice helps you. Keep us updated and good luck. Definitely let us know if his behavior changes in any way.
 

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Well it seemd like ur taking the proper precautions...with the meds & aquariuum salt...I dunno about putting the two salts together that dosnt seem like a good plan....maby don't feedem for a few days that seemed to help with my guy....my guys has a swollen belly again:( too...maby don't feedem for a few days and try everyother day...I used the teaspoon per gallon with empom salt there's about 4.5 gallons in the tank now I put 5 teaspoons in and no #2 for about week n a half or two....the filters don't absorbe the empsom salt do they? Good luck with ur betta buddy....how long have u hadem on the aquarium salt? Make shur u don't go past 14days the salt can effect the bettas kidneys for so I read.
 

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Hi blueboy. Is your boy bloated? Nothing fuzzy or raised? Usually a discolored belly indicates bloating or stomach troubles. The stomach tends to turn whitish/gray. The golden color is probably natural coloration now. What I'm mostly concerned about is your guy's age. At 3 years old, he'd be considered a very old betta and at that age, a betta's body starts to undergo changes such as color changes, appetite, fin loss, and changes in the levels of activity. I'm worried that these are all signs that your guy's body is starting to shut down. :( I very much hope this isn't the case but I do want to prepare you for this possibility.

Right now, probably the best thing for your guy would be to put him in 1 tsp of epsom salt per gallon as icyrose suggests. Epsom salt will help leech out any toxins in his body to aid in preventing bloating. Make sure the water is warm, around 78-80 degrees, and keep his tank dim and quiet so he can rest. If he starts to show trouble of reaching the surface to breathe, you can lower the water level as much as necessary.

Since you've already treated him with Furan-2, which is a pretty good antibiotic, I don't think medications will help. Instead, go with the epsom salt and if you can, try to add tannins to the water. You can get tannins from Indian Almond Leaf or from naturally dried, clean oak leaves. You can just crumble the oak leaves up into the water until it changes to a tea color. Tannins have some antimicrobial properties and they also turn the water the same color as the water found in a betta's natural habitat.

Keep trying to feed him. Change the water as often as possible, too, redosing the epsom salts as necessary.

I hope this advice helps you. Keep us updated and good luck. Definitely let us know if his behavior changes in any way.
Thanks very much for the advice! I will try that. I actually think he's closer to 4yrs of age...eee gads....about the bloating thing...giggle...I actually over fed him when I first rescued him from my daughter and he's just stayed looking that way....he was quite the piggy....I've seen his feces so I know he's not bloated....I'll let you know how it's going....thanks again to you and Iceyrose :)
 

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Goodness, at 4 years old, he's positively ancient. Well, Blueboy, you must be doinng something right since he's lived to such a ripe old age. :) How's the old man doing now?
 

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Hi Sakura8.....thanks...I've tried to keep him happy :) I'm more attached to him than some people I know...lol....since I last messaged you...he was on day two of the antibiotics and not doing well....sitting at bottom and breathing hard...back to the top for some O2 then back down...so did a 50% water change and put a fresh charcoal and sponge filter in to get rid of the meds...he perked up last night...swimming a bit and back to resting at the surface in his leaves...still has that big lightened area on underbelly...he does miss his lunges for his food lately....as though his vision is gone....this am I checked on him early am and I honestly thought he had passed peacefully in his sleep....touched the water near him and nothing...petted him a couple times and nothing....was so sad...then came home at lunch and wanted to check again and he came to life....ate a pellet..and swam a bit...but has been resting the rest of today as far as I can tell....would old age effect him this quickly over a week or so??? TTFN
 

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Wow, way to scare you, huh? I'm glad he was still alive when you checked on him again.

I imagine old age probably affects every betta differently. It does seem a bit odd that the symptoms came on so fast so I wonder if he has a bit of a bacterial infection. Just like a healthy old man can be fine but if he gets a cold, he might spiral downward pretty fast and be gone within a week (happened to more than one older relative of mine).

The best advice I can tell you now is to just make him as comfortable as possible. Warm, clean water, quiet tank. Since he didn't seem to do well in the antibiotics, I'm reluctant to try them again. If you do, maybe try it at half strength.
 
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