[Ilovebettasbk11]

I never open the windows or put ac on we mom and i are tropical people too we like it warm and thats the truth

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

Oh and i never ever called anyone a troll here so you know

 

[Reccka]

Then that would just leave sunlight as a thing. Sorry we're so skeptical here, but it's very very very rare that someone legitimately and truly tropical shows up here. It seems like it almost never happens.

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

I was born in tropical weather so yea i am i dont like the ac on its too cold for me i like it warm

 

[Tolak]

The tone started out fine. It escalated from there. OP seems to ignore anyone who isn't bothering them anyway. Which says to me that they are not looking to improve the conditions.

And breeders aren't bashed for that because you don't use those half gallon jars as permanent homes for the entire lifespan of a betta.

Breeders aren't going to risk a potential show winner & start of a new line to sub standard animal husbandry. They might bump that show winner up to a 2.5 or 5, they might double it to a gallon bowl.

And really, what are the odds OP never opens their window, never puts AC or a fan on, or never gets sunlight in that room? Unless you're doing that on purpose like you do for breeding, the temperature in their bowl is going to be changing. This person is not a breeder and shouldn't be given advice like they are.

I never open the windows or put ac on we mom and i are tropical people too we like it warm and thats the truth

Looks like those odds are higher than you thought. So how much temperature change is acceptable? Still waiting for an answer on that one.

I'm telling the OP how they can apply what breeders do to their setup, as well as skill level. If I were giving advice like they were a breeder you'd be seeing links to gas fired space heaters, humidity control schemes, water change systems & so on. I'd be suggesting changing water in jars 2-3 times weekly, then conditioning the potential breeder in a 10 half full of water with minimal filtration, 80, maybe 82F.

If it were my setup & skill level the fish would go in a 2.5 on the end of a rack, silk plant & a couple small pieces of wood, large ugly blue sponge filter & heated to 80F.

Looking at what the OP has to work with, I'm drawing from all of these, and suggesting what may apply. I've known people to keep bettas long term in similar conditions who are not breeders. Keep it warm, keep it clean, learn as much as you can from others & apply as needed. The way breeders do things may not be for the individual, but you can draw ideas from it. The way I do things may not be either, once again, use what you can. Nobody here has an identical situation, you use what works best for you.

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

if it ever drops is 1 degree lower and you said what works best for me is having no heater

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

The water is warm and clean and people blast me i need a heater

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

Also people could had just said oh well as long as the water is warm and clean then you are good but no they assume they know my house is cold

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

Oh and by the way i had my fish for nine months now you tell me if all of them are not well taken care of

 

[hrutan]

+1 Tolak.

If the temperature is truly tropical, there's no need for a heater. A lot of us forget that not everyone is at somewhere in the mid-30's latitude, including me - which is why my initial suggestion of a heater. But, not everyone has a 20-30 degree drop in temperature at night.

As time has gone on and I have pulled my information from a variety of sources, I've come to the conclusion that a small bowl is, in fact, just fine...as long as the water quality is good. Yes, many breeders do, in fact, keep their fish in half gallon jars for their entire lifetime, excluding when they are in the breeding tubs ... they just do water changes 3x a week. If you're intensely working a line and you're keeping 3 or 4 related families of fish, amounting to 20+ keepers just for breeding, not even counting show fish, having gallon or 2.5 gallon containers for every single fish is practically undoable due to space concerns. Heck, some fish farms in Thailand use whiskey bottles. The fish remain healthy. The key is water quality.

So in short, as long as the temperature is warm and stable, a bowl is most certainly fine. And, we should remember to be polite, be kind, and not assume that the OP is lying...because goodness gracious, that's just rude.

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

thank you hrutan you are awesome

 

[Reccka]

Breeders aren't going to risk a potential show winner & start of a new line to sub standard animal husbandry. They might bump that show winner up to a 2.5 or 5, they might double it to a gallon bowl.





Looks like those odds are higher than you thought. So how much temperature change is acceptable? Still waiting for an answer on that one.

I'm telling the OP how they can apply what breeders do to their setup, as well as skill level. If I were giving advice like they were a breeder you'd be seeing links to gas fired space heaters, humidity control schemes, water change systems & so on. I'd be suggesting changing water in jars 2-3 times weekly, then conditioning the potential breeder in a 10 half full of water with minimal filtration, 80, maybe 82F.

If it were my setup & skill level the fish would go in a 2.5 on the end of a rack, silk plant & a couple small pieces of wood, large ugly blue sponge filter & heated to 80F.

Looking at what the OP has to work with, I'm drawing from all of these, and suggesting what may apply. I've known people to keep bettas long term in similar conditions who are not breeders. Keep it warm, keep it clean, learn as much as you can from others & apply as needed. The way breeders do things may not be for the individual, but you can draw ideas from it. The way I do things may not be either, once again, use what you can. Nobody here has an identical situation, you use what works best for you.

Honestly though, the odds were low. Tropical members are an extreme rarity here. And people who never open a window are probably even more so. I'd dare to call them the 1% of this forum's members. There are plenty of people who come in and say "I don't need a heater! My betta hasn't died, so he's good!" and then it turns out they're living in Minnesota in the middle of winter or something equally ridiculous. It's reasonable for everyone to be skeptical here.

For a beginner keeper it's best to keep it simple IMO. Taking ideas from things above one's skill level isn't always the best course. But it is ultimately up to the owner.

As for temperature, I can't answer that. I won't pretend to be on a higher experience level than I am. Personally, I would think a change of 5 degrees or more in a hour would be bad and would probably shock the betta. 5 degrees over 5 hours I would think is mostly harmless, but someone else will have to answer that for you since that wasn't a question directed at me earlier in the thread anyway.

And as an added note, if the change in temperature can cause illness, why even take that risk? There's really no reason to. A heater isn't a big deal in cases outside this one.

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

I am glad to find being tropical is rare here lol no way i would let my fish be cold in winter i turn the heater in my house up!

 

[Reccka]

+1 Tolak.

If the temperature is truly tropical, there's no need for a heater. A lot of us forget that not everyone is at somewhere in the mid-30's latitude, including me - which is why my initial suggestion of a heater. But, not everyone has a 20-30 degree drop in temperature at night.

As time has gone on and I have pulled my information from a variety of sources, I've come to the conclusion that a small bowl is, in fact, just fine...as long as the water quality is good. Yes, many breeders do, in fact, keep their fish in half gallon jars for their entire lifetime, excluding when they are in the breeding tubs ... they just do water changes 3x a week. If you're intensely working a line and you're keeping 3 or 4 related families of fish, amounting to 20+ keepers just for breeding, not even counting show fish, having gallon or 2.5 gallon containers for every single fish is practically undoable due to space concerns. Heck, some fish farms in Thailand use whiskey bottles. The fish remain healthy. The key is water quality.

So in short, as long as the temperature is warm and stable, a bowl is most certainly fine. And, we should remember to be polite, be kind, and not assume that the OP is lying...because goodness gracious, that's just rude.

I find that mildly disturbing to think of a betta living 3-5 years in a whiskey bottle...even if the water quality is good. But my opinion on breeding conditions like that is a whole other thing I won't go into lol

I still think the initial skepticism was called for, but it definitely wasn't right for anyone to full-on attack OP for it. That just got totally out of hand.
I don't know about everyone else, but maybe I'm too used to the rest of the internet where you should always assume OP is lying. :|

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

I am sorry you feel that way reccka but i dont have to prove anything to you or anyone and yea that dude needs to apologize to me for cLljng me that word

 

[Reccka]

I'm just saying it probably would've been easier if you stated your country when people started getting riled up and then people probably would've laid off. Like hrutan said, most people probably went and assumed you were in the US or something similar.

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

I am not telling anyone where i live thanks very much

 

[Reccka]

That's your right. Just saying in case this situation happens to you again on another forum or elsewhere. Last thread like this I saw, the guy just said he lived in Hawaii(IIRC. Something like that) and everyone just went "Oh ok" lol.

 

[Ilovebettasbk11]

Well i dont need to prove anything to them so yea

 

[Destinystar]

Ilovebettasbk11 do you feel you have anything else to gain from this thread ? if not I can close it for you